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it's just like watching series as well ah something somewhere

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something is going to happen yeah learning another language is not a Sprint

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in fact it's not a marathon I was about to say

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primero

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L Amour say gundo la tecnica anything can happen this is Thailand and time and again

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Thailand has demonstrated that

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anything can happen I have another favorite word this word

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makes me excited

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starts with an n

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okay s e what do you think

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it has an e in it

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this is candidi featuring my name is Vic and welcome to vision

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and today we're talking to people

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for having me oh you're welcome

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is

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great pleasure that you stopped by today

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oh it's my pleasure the pleasure is all mine okay so actually we're neighbors right exactly because you're working over at the standard

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or the global Focus program

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yes yeah um so it's a once a week program since you give me um this opportunity

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please allow me to promote my program sure of course go ahead proper focus is a weekly program

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and me and my team will pick international news that we think would be interest

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for the audience and present it to you once a week I'm a big fan also thank you

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you used to like once you

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did the interview in English to talking to the first French woman

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Astronaut Astronaut exactly exactly I love that yeah me too yeah she was so inspiring

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so many ways so do you still get to do the English interview often

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not anymore not as much as I would like and not as much as before yeah actually your your your problem is kind of like

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similar to most people's problem

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in Thailand because we have been taking all these courses and classes in English

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since we are what like

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7 right and we don't get to use English

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then you have to create opportunities for yourself to

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speak in the front of the camera or sometimes I'll just um pick out an articles

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an article and they just read it out aloud so that

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I won't forget

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yeah just like any skills on Earth

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if you want to maintain it

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keep it up

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you have to practice yeah so that's what I'm doing every day as well unfortunate in the sense

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that in my line of job

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I get to practice English 1 way or another so I think that's how

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key polishing my English well it's funny you mentioned like talking in front of camera because

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30 years ago it would be so hard like impossible for you to talk in front of a camera but right now everybody has camera

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in their own hands so you can just talk to camera whenever you can put content on Tik Tok you can put content on YouTube

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done right

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I used to talk in front of the mirror actually oh really to look at myself not so much on the camera yeah but I think camera

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can help because you can replay and look at yourself how you look or how you sound when you speak in Thai English or whatever language is

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you want

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whatever you do when you're uh still anchoring at the nation and on TV

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uh in the beginning in the beginning yeah I'll just practice by myself at home

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um speaking out loud so that I would

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calm my my nerve down somehow because I get excited too you mentioned before we started taping

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that you were nervous

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and I couldn't believe it because you've done this for you have been doing this for over 20 years

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exactly yeah you still get nervous but I've never talked to you

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okay so I'm excited to be meeting you

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so that's a good excitement

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yeah that's a good kind of excitement yes I look forward to getting to talk to you oh me too same here so I'm also

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excited about the show today so um let's go back to

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20 years ago

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when you first started um before you got this job as a

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what did you do then

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before that before that um before that I spent a short time at Boi

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Thailand's Board of Investments okay and then before that I just graduated from University

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so it's a it was a very short time at Boi and then I went to um Nation TV

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so I it was 1 of your first jobs

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you started out in in the business

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exactly how did you train yourself or how did you uh practice to be on camera

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besides talking in front of a mirror of course

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uh I look at how other people do it like or all the other more

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experience um journalists do it and then

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keep on doing it I guess practice makes perfect so the more you do it then you're more the more you get the

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view of it and I guess that's how I would start to feel more comfortable about

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saying things or reporting in front of the camera did you have any Idol that you look up to

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and try to probably learn from

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like the Styles the um uh the way they like report news

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um not so much of the style but I think I learned a lot from

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um especially how he would focus on the content

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we want to say and not so much about

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how we look

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exactly that's amazing and he's been like developing he's been uh changing he's been

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um like going with the trends

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that's amazing

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on his part exactly so working with him I learned a lot especially how he

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she just doesn't stop

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he keeps on running so in order to keep up with him

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at least I have to jog right or else he will be so far ahead that I can't catch up with him

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so he has been a role model in many ways as a journalist as

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a person who is very diligent and hardworking and he's always curious about the world around him

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mhm so you were like fresh

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out of college so to speak more or less yeah more or less and

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when was the first time that you got the feelings that

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I have already discovered who I am

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on camera and I have my style and I'm confident now

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months at at least half a year I think oh okay yeah before before I can

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it would be it faster whenever you know the cameraman say 54321 and then camera right

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yeah my heart would beat faster but then the time that I can calm it down

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be shorter and shorter ah you control yourself better yeah a little bit

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by bit by bit I think right okay and how about when you first

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know that

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kind of develop your own style that people can tell the difference between without and other people

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I think I have to ask the audience for that yeah because I'm just being myself I guess I don't

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how I will be on camera I I don't plan on that at all I'm just being myself like that

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talking to you okay and I think

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it's just natural

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so there's no intentional design know in advance of how you want to look

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not at all this I see yeah this is me this is the way I am yeah

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and people love that

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oh thank you yeah me too oh thank you thank you I think everyone is unique

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like I look at you

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you're yourself the way you talk the way you react and I think we all can sense that

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that's the sincerity right that we

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talk to them on camera yeah but

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anyway you came before me like

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at least so I I'm sure I'm going to learn a lot from you today

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so I I was curious what you think about how easy it seems

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for a lot of people to just be on camera and act as

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you know really report uh from these things

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to like analyze whatever is going on in the world

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it was pretty easy today

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like um you know the opportunity that they can learn and uh speaking English uh opportunity to practice themselves

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in front of a camera and Technology helps a lot too

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it's pretty easy and how how how do you think about that um I think it's

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easier in the sense that technology helps with the flow of information right it's very easy to find information

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um from Google from the internet

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at the same time because of this overflow of information I think you have to really be able to

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distinguish

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what is what is fake news

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what is real news what is facts

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and what is opinion I think

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that's the line that you must be able to draw

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with all the information that you see

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yeah so you don't see it as a problem or a threat for someone who came before like a lot of photographers out there

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talking about how you know

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like technology these days or you know the the quality of the camera on on the phone can

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enable a lot of people to be

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almost as good or even better than a professional photographer

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so you don't have any problem with that

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in terms of like people acting as a news reporter

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no not at all not at all

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all are welcome is an open field yeah I think it's totally up to you

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to the audience to decide who they want to listen to maybe it's because of the style of the

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personality of the content of

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whatever factors yeah um accessibility like

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Tik Tok probably is easier to watch news on Tik Tok than on

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maybe people are still watching that maybe for some people so it's totally fine I think platforms are

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important at all as long as you can have access to all of those information to listen to the people that you like

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I think that's fine okay

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so talking about platforms um where can we find you these days besides

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on global forecast at the standard oh

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here Monday to Friday okay so how how you say it

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working out over there

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are are you healthy and and oh yeah it's fun yeah it is fun I had great time working there because I get

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of new things about

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the media landscape as well um we are talking about the audience who is a

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the mass audience yeah so the type of news

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to coincide with their

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something that we have to decide on as well

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that is something challenging and I think different

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people enjoy different types of meals

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so there's a market segmentation here yeah yeah so for channel 131

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we have 1 type of audience

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we have another type of audience so I think we have to

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pick and choose

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what News 2 presents

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to which audience

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uh but in terms of Television itself

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segmentation as well

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the type of news that you want to watch then each channel would somehow overlap

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niche market

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as well so it totally depends on the audience which channel you want to look at

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so your focus being the foreign and international news was it

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uh we need to start out

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at first as an assignment or your pure interest

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how is my pure interest yeah yeah international news it has always been that way

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why because it's fun because it's exciting because something

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somewhere

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something is going to happen yeah and you're talking about the world so it's a very big stage here of course

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anything happening in Thailand is interesting as well

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but we should keep up with international news as well in order to learn about the trends

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to learn about people to learn about places culture and ideas

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we need to know what's going on around the world

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does English ability helped a lot

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any language I think is crucial in helping us

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understand the culture of that language and of course knowing another language is like

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opening up a whole new world to you if you know English whole world opens up to you you know Chinese you know Russian French

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Spanish A Whole New World will open up to you as well yeah all the culture is not just what's going on exactly in terms of

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news but how people live over there and how how people think

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around the world

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um compared to

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like internal news like Thai news a lot of people might

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say that

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international news or foreign news

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is pretty distant

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they cannot find the the connection between themselves and what's going on around the world like why should I

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pay like any attention to what's going on in Africa right now how does it affect me

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so what do you think

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okay um then maybe you can

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of what's going on around the world and pick on the news that might interest you or might benefit you for instance

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okay news about AI artificial intelligence that's the trend

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maybe you would want to know

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how AI will replace

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some jobs in the future

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that somehow might affect you of course you have to be prepared for it

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so I think you need to pick on what news

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you want to follow but for me um watching international news

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sometimes it's just like

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watching series as well ah for example um Joe Biden

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and Donald Trump

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there might be a rematch in the election next year yeah for me this is like season 2 of grandpas

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trying to win the election again so for me

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it's

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it's fun it

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and it's not that far away America sounds far away

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but in the end

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if there's a change in precedence or in the political party

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then their policies

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might affect Thailand as well

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we live in a global village 1 way or another

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whatever is happening in other parts of the world might affect us here in Thailand

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well um people learn English from

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news almost all the time so do you have any like uh tricks and tips of how to

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uh learn more English from following news is especially international news

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oh yeah

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even even I today

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I need to Google I need to open up the dictionary if if I see a word that I don't understand but in order to learn something don't

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skip it

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you got to find out what it means and try to memorize it

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okay do you have any uh technique of memorizing words or phrases

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not at all you just have to repeat repeat repeat

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mhm and practice practice practice spend time with it basically spend time with it um I think to

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use a language is to be familiar with it

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and to be familiar with it is you have to keep on

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using it there's no shortcut okay if there's a shortcut tell me I want to know too oh me too I want to know too yeah it

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well it took us I think like over 20 years for us to get to this point

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uh the point being having being able to have a conversation in English but

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that's something else too A lot of people say you should

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uh you you should not just learn English by just talking

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or listening you you have to um read to you have to write to do you agree with that that we have to

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like take like 4 skills altogether and

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definitely yeah

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definitely

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All 4 skills are essential

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um speaking listening

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writing and reading

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I think those are very crucial as well because um I think it's

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they're they're all comprehensive

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in order for you to further your language capabilities right

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so um let's go back a little bit a little bit to um the news especially international news

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so um besides

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some of the news

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uh in Thailand produced by Thai people there's a lot of

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international news agency out there we hear about

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CNN other times CNBC what have you so do you have any favorite news

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agent

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agency that you like

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um not exactly but I sort of scan all of them okay

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yeah

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to see you know sometimes um

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the same story might be written a little bit differently in terms of the details so if I want to

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details and this article from this agency doesn't provide it

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then I'll look elsewhere

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yeah so there's no actual favorite um that I have because I have to look at them all

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yeah but what you talked about like CNN BBC these are the English-speaking world

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okay what I really wish is

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I know

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other languages so that I can enter into other worlds as well yeah

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okay because actually it's not just about the way they write news but their opinion or

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attitude or maybe

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their stance like what

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uh they stand for or uh what they believe in so like editorials

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not just the writing style so uh can can you talk more about

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what agencies have like

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different kind of personalities of

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where they are

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if a CNN then it's from a US perspective

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if it's BBC

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It's a UK perspective if it's France 24 Deutsche welle then emo Euro

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point of view then if you want something more

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in Southeast Asia in asean then it would be for me street times

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Singapore or

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channel news Asia

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or the star Malaysia or if sometimes I want to dig deeper into

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that story

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of a particular country then

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if I want to know something about the Philippines I would go to rappler

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or Malaysia Malaysia Keeney you know being more spec

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specific about

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the media in that country yeah so it totally depends on

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on what news we are talking about if it's Middle East

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then it's a that's how they will always um have their headlines first Middle Eastern stories

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first and then their perspective yeah

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so that's like geographically

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exactly what about

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personality as in terms of like the way they talk or the worst they use their attitude

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or the color the colorfulness in their language and uh easy or hard to understand like level of English

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because I'm asking for those uh beginners who want to start like following news uh

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to to improve that English

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I think they're all of international standard but of course if you want to talk about

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then CNN has the American accent and then BBC has the British accent

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right so it's a little bit different um I think

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I would advise what is best to do is for

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you or anybody I mean for the audience to

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listen to all of them

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to read all of them and decide for yourself which 1 suits you best ah okay it's just a feelings that okay I think

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uh when I listen or watch the news from this agency I I think I I have the most fun

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it could be that reason too right to follow yeah anybody at all that you like exactly

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anything that you like as long as it makes you keep on

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reading

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listening being interested makes you want to come back fine enough yes

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Okay so

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advice would be to try to consume different

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source of news yes okay so we can just like cross-check the facts probably

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exposed yourself to different kinds of accent out there

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exactly good but a lot of people might say

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to consume

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too much news can affect your negatively too it could be

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toxic it could

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be affected your it could be affected uh in terms of your like emotions

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what what is your take on that

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mm how much is too much

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how much is too much again that's very personal right

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I think you need to

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find your own

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equilibrium

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I guess of where the line should be that's that's a good word if you fancy

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equilibrium right yeah equilibrium okay um

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because

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like me

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I am in the news industry so I tend to have to follow up

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yeah almost all the time

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but sometimes it gets tiring too yeah so I'll take a break

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okay and then I'll come back to it

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have you ever been like depressed by following news too much

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no no

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okay so you know your line I I sound mentally strong right but actually yeah but but I think because

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I know when to stop mhm yeah

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I know when to stop like okay this is

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this is too much already yeah yeah my my mind is

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going crazy now so okay I'll stop

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how do other things and then maybe I'll come back to it but maybe it's something that

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the public um is super interested in right now and we have kind of have to follow like um

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the thing I remember

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like to stand out the most is the m um news like

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5 years back everybody is like paying attention to what the story would end so it's kind of hard to stop yourself from following news right

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then just follow okay then just follow I asked you follow the news what should you

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tell yourself

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how should you take care of yourself like your mental state

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I think it totally depends on the story like the mopa story we all hope that we will find them

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alive right

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that's the word to use right we really want to find them alive without

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any losses at all so I think it's

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it's um

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it's not it doesn't harm your mental health that much in my opinion in my but you might lose sleep a lot of people have lost sleep over that

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yes yeah

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but I think that's okay okay we all show our Goodwill you know of giving moral support

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report to all the people who went into the cave to help you know that um they would find everyone alive

436
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and then everyone would be alive out of the cave as well I think

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that is

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that is fine in my opinion in my opinion okay but like

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politics right now

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yeah

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everyone is catching up

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about it every single second as well right right um

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this

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maybe I think sometimes we might need to take a break maybe it might be too overwhelming

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maybe too much yeah

446
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politics

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maybe step back a little bit

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don't get too involved

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too much into it I think it can it can somehow

451
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ruin your your your mental health yeah maybe it's not that urgent for you to follow like 24/7

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yeah yeah

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learned to take a break

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exactly yeah so speaking of politics right now I think uh 1 thing that you

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the national news

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order uh would cover all the time is politics okay so um

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politics in Thailand right now what do you think

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in terms of what's going on and the news

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exciting

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and we are in

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um we are in a very uncertain time I think

463
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because nothing is definite

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in my opinion

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anything can happen this is Thailand and time and again um Thailand has demonstrated

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that

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Anything Can Happen yeah

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yeah

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okay so 1 thing that I think we can learn a lot from is from uh

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because he speaks English

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for 1 thing and the other thing is that he started

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communicating with the world

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this is something that we are not used to

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at least for the past

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10 years or so um

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I think the way

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ITA speak as

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1 of the potential leader is very um interesting and is something that we can learn from

481
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and also

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uh

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we we we have learned from a lot of like um world leaders out there so

484
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Barack Obama right and uh to Senda

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uh from um New Zealand New Zealand and

486
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did you have any favorite world leaders that you like and and for what reasons

487
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488
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oh there are quite a number of them actually I would say

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Barack Obama President Barack Obama

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um

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prime minister Jacinda Arden

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the former prime minister of New Zealand

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and then of course the legendary late prime minister of Singapore Lee Kuan Yew ah yes

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all of them are excellent speakers is just that they have

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different styles different styles um for Barack Obama

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I think he uses

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simple words

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but they were woven in such a way that

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it turned out beautiful

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and with his delivery

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it turned out

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something very uplifting to listen to

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if you listen to his speech Audacity Of Hope or his victory speech in

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8 and so many others um along the way

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most of the time he would touch on American values

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such as um

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how America is a land of opportunities

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America is a land of ideals a Land of Hope and dream

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and how

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he himself

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belongs

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to

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American Dream

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because he became precedents

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right so it's his personal story and the story of

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American values that

519
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go together

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so he was such an eloquent speaker I mean with the same speech if you have

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other people

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delivering the speech

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the modern tone will be different yeah

524
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yeah so it's not just about his content he also adds

525
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personal story and the way he delivers it

526
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yeah the content is 1 thing but the personality of the person delivering it

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is also another

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important components

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true

530
00:28:37.797 --> 00:28:43.923
and what about the Seda Arden um she is of a different style I guess she is more of a

531
00:28:43.760 --> 00:28:44.881
sympathetic

532
00:28:44.787 --> 00:28:45.066

533
00:28:44.978 --> 00:28:51.109
empathetic emotional type of um Communicator like in her farewell address

534
00:28:51.259 --> 00:28:53.895
she was talking about how

535
00:28:54.009 --> 00:28:57.084
no matter who you are or how you are

536
00:28:57.269 --> 00:28:59.984
you can become a leader as well so she said

537
00:29:00.158 --> 00:29:01.518
you can lead

538
00:29:01.572 --> 00:29:02.360

539
00:29:02.208 --> 00:29:03.496
like me

540
00:29:03.548 --> 00:29:04.226

541
00:29:04.188 --> 00:29:06.616
and she almost cried saying it

542
00:29:06.508 --> 00:29:10.796
so she became emotional and I think it showed um how much

543
00:29:10.669 --> 00:29:10.912

544
00:29:10.858 --> 00:29:14.038
she actually believed in what she said

545
00:29:13.988 --> 00:29:16.055
very human very relatable

546
00:29:15.988 --> 00:29:20.777
yeah exactly you know it's emotional you can feel how

547
00:29:20.657 --> 00:29:20.922

548
00:29:20.980 --> 00:29:22.329
she's feeling

549
00:29:22.129 --> 00:29:27.975
mm and what about legal and you your 1 of your favorites for sure my favorites

550
00:29:27.449 --> 00:29:29.650
if you look at his um

551
00:29:29.560 --> 00:29:30.617
speeches

552
00:29:30.588 --> 00:29:33.343
in his younger years you know for

553
00:29:33.277 --> 00:29:37.138
election rallies or interviews he was so

554
00:29:36.988 --> 00:29:38.282
feisty

555
00:29:38.147 --> 00:29:42.057
um so strong so determined

556
00:29:42.058 --> 00:29:44.695
I'll give you examples um

557
00:29:44.489 --> 00:29:46.044
in 1980

558
00:29:45.897 --> 00:29:52.022
the pilots of Singapore Airline they they had a strike and he resolved

559
00:29:51.728 --> 00:29:52.195

560
00:29:52.369 --> 00:29:56.040
so during an election rally

561
00:29:55.248 --> 00:29:56.575
he talked about it

562
00:29:56.788 --> 00:29:58.485
and then he said

563
00:29:58.968 --> 00:30:00.269
anyone who

564
00:30:00.249 --> 00:30:02.019
Wants to Rule Singapore

565
00:30:01.908 --> 00:30:04.491
must have the iron in him

566
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.015
this is not a house of cards

567
00:30:07.357 --> 00:30:08.953
this is about your life

568
00:30:08.899 --> 00:30:09.892
and mine

569
00:30:09.917 --> 00:30:10.342

570
00:30:10.367 --> 00:30:11.457
I spent

571
00:30:11.459 --> 00:30:13.962
my whole lifetime building

572
00:30:13.828 --> 00:30:15.170
meaning Singapore

573
00:30:15.239 --> 00:30:17.586
as long as I'm in charge

574
00:30:17.928 --> 00:30:18.211

575
00:30:18.118 --> 00:30:20.148
nobody is going to knock it down

576
00:30:20.498 --> 00:30:21.300

577
00:30:21.327 --> 00:30:21.573

578
00:30:21.460 --> 00:30:27.497
strong words right right clear message but I really want you to

579
00:30:27.408 --> 00:30:32.401
Google and look at his non-verbal Communications as well

580
00:30:32.348 --> 00:30:33.047

581
00:30:33.047 --> 00:30:36.537
his emotions it was so intense

582
00:30:36.508 --> 00:30:40.250
it was so strong and

583
00:30:40.157 --> 00:30:40.416

584
00:30:40.347 --> 00:30:43.131
his message was crystal clear

585
00:30:43.227 --> 00:30:47.485
she wouldn't give in an inch not even 1 single millimeter

586
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:48.154
mhm

587
00:30:47.976 --> 00:30:50.115
so that's the type of person

588
00:30:50.028 --> 00:30:53.274
she is yeah very Frank

589
00:30:52.706 --> 00:30:56.817
very direct but sometimes he can be funny as well

590
00:30:56.630 --> 00:30:59.061
yeah because he wants it

591
00:30:59.568 --> 00:31:01.369
even from my sick bed

592
00:31:01.430 --> 00:31:05.055
or if you are lowering me into the grave

593
00:31:05.018 --> 00:31:05.264

594
00:31:05.210 --> 00:31:09.409
and I see that something is not right I'll get up

595
00:31:09.627 --> 00:31:11.532
right yeah yeah yeah so

596
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.920
everything is showed how witty he is intelligent

597
00:31:15.777 --> 00:31:20.768
of course you know we all know his intelligent but he's very witty

598
00:31:20.646 --> 00:31:23.534
and sometimes his humorous as well yeah

599
00:31:23.719 --> 00:31:26.310
so looking back at Thailand right now

600
00:31:26.419 --> 00:31:28.459
we're about to have a new leader

601
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.231
what kind of leader

602
00:31:30.126 --> 00:31:30.821
with

603
00:31:31.147 --> 00:31:34.140
what kind of communication skill

604
00:31:34.107 --> 00:31:39.410
do you think the new leader has to have I think for any leader at all

605
00:31:39.286 --> 00:31:40.221
um

606
00:31:40.187 --> 00:31:41.831
there must be able to communicate

607
00:31:41.978 --> 00:31:44.953
because a lot of time people would say

608
00:31:44.868 --> 00:31:45.933
the leader

609
00:31:45.886 --> 00:31:50.566
forms his job well but he might not be communicating that well

610
00:31:50.567 --> 00:31:51.407
okay

611
00:31:51.267 --> 00:31:56.742
but I think communication is an indispensable quality of a good

612
00:31:56.517 --> 00:31:57.387
leader

613
00:31:57.348 --> 00:31:57.902

614
00:31:57.868 --> 00:32:00.157
so I think for the most

615
00:32:00.047 --> 00:32:00.339

616
00:32:00.308 --> 00:32:01.312
basic

617
00:32:01.266 --> 00:32:06.031
criteria for any leader is to tell us clearly

618
00:32:06.127 --> 00:32:07.572
what you think

619
00:32:08.058 --> 00:32:10.015
be able to express

620
00:32:10.038 --> 00:32:11.293
your ideas

621
00:32:11.770 --> 00:32:17.023
be able to articulate what you're thinking so that we understand

622
00:32:16.957 --> 00:32:19.661
whether or not we agree with your policies

623
00:32:19.706 --> 00:32:25.003
is another issue but we are here talking about Communications so I think

624
00:32:24.968 --> 00:32:25.840
clear

625
00:32:25.800 --> 00:32:27.180
Communications

626
00:32:27.337 --> 00:32:30.353
is very crucial and I think that's

627
00:32:30.408 --> 00:32:32.111
the most um

628
00:32:32.148 --> 00:32:36.610
basic requirements that any leader um should have

629
00:32:36.366 --> 00:32:37.330
mm

630
00:32:37.266 --> 00:32:37.803

631
00:32:37.706 --> 00:32:38.793
to become

632
00:32:38.797 --> 00:32:40.111
great leaders

633
00:32:40.086 --> 00:32:41.451
great communicators

634
00:32:41.686 --> 00:32:43.945
then I think that's another level

635
00:32:44.510 --> 00:32:48.849
I think great leaders a great communicators

636
00:32:48.928 --> 00:32:52.500
would be able to calm the public down

637
00:32:52.447 --> 00:32:53.614
in times of

638
00:32:53.537 --> 00:32:54.393
crisis

639
00:32:54.307 --> 00:32:54.511

640
00:32:54.688 --> 00:32:57.169
a great leader would be able to

641
00:32:57.065 --> 00:32:58.709
unite the country

642
00:32:58.787 --> 00:32:59.014

643
00:32:59.307 --> 00:33:00.971
in times of

644
00:33:01.476 --> 00:33:02.899
tragedies

645
00:33:03.146 --> 00:33:06.268
I think great leaders would be able to

646
00:33:06.155 --> 00:33:07.537
soothe the public

647
00:33:07.826 --> 00:33:08.961
in times of

648
00:33:08.844 --> 00:33:13.879
loss and mourning and great leaders would be able to

649
00:33:13.847 --> 00:33:15.418
motivate the public

650
00:33:15.707 --> 00:33:20.137
in times of challenges so I think that's another level of

651
00:33:20.185 --> 00:33:21.587
Communications

652
00:33:21.856 --> 00:33:23.490
because if we