1 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:14,147 something is going to happen yeah learning another language is not a Sprint 2 00:00:14,147 --> 00:00:18,147 it's just like watching series as well ah something somewhere 3 00:00:19,323 --> 00:00:20,735 in fact it's not a marathon I was about to say 4 00:00:20,735 --> 00:00:24,735 primero 5 00:00:28,141 --> 00:00:30,238 L Amour say gundo la tecnica anything can happen this is Thailand and time and again 6 00:00:30,238 --> 00:00:34,238 Thailand has demonstrated that 7 00:00:35,088 --> 00:00:37,180 anything can happen I have another favorite word this word 8 00:00:37,180 --> 00:00:39,089 makes me excited 9 00:00:39,089 --> 00:00:43,089 it starts with an 10 00:00:47,311 --> 00:00:51,144 s okay s what do you think 11 00:00:51,144 --> 00:00:55,144 it has an e in it 12 00:01:02,529 --> 00:01:06,529 this is Candide featuring my name is Vic and welcome to vision 13 00:01:08,078 --> 00:01:10,550 , and today we're talking to people 14 00:01:10,550 --> 00:01:11,471 for having me oh you're welcome 15 00:01:11,471 --> 00:01:14,219 is 16 00:01:14,219 --> 00:01:18,219 great pleasure that you stopped by today 17 00:01:21,332 --> 00:01:23,623 oh it's my pleasure the pleasure is all mine okay so actually we're neighbors right exactly because you're working over at the standard 18 00:01:23,623 --> 00:01:27,623 or the global Focus program 19 00:01:29,100 --> 00:01:33,100 yes yeah um so it's a once a week program since you give me um this opportunity 20 00:01:34,835 --> 00:01:38,835 . Please allow me to promote my program sure of course go ahead. proper focus is a weekly program 21 00:01:40,277 --> 00:01:44,277 and me and my team will pick international news that we think would be interest 22 00:01:45,868 --> 00:01:49,868 for the audience and present it to you once a week. I'm a big fan also thank you 23 00:01:51,985 --> 00:01:55,985 . You used to like once you 24 00:01:57,213 --> 00:02:01,213 did the interview in English to talking to the first French woman 25 00:02:02,602 --> 00:02:06,602 Astronaut Astronaut. exactly, exactly I love that yeah me too yeah she was so inspiring 26 00:02:06,856 --> 00:02:10,856 so many ways so do you still get to do the English interview often 27 00:02:15,055 --> 00:02:17,954 not any more not as much as I would like and not as much as before yeah actually your your your problem is kind of like 28 00:02:17,954 --> 00:02:21,954 similar to most people's problem 29 00:02:23,364 --> 00:02:24,633 in Thailand. because we have been taking all these courses and classes in English 30 00:02:24,633 --> 00:02:27,663 since we are what like 31 00:02:27,663 --> 00:02:28,416 7 right? and we don't get to use English 32 00:02:28,416 --> 00:02:29,359 almost 33 00:02:29,359 --> 00:02:32,827 never 34 00:02:32,827 --> 00:02:36,827 then you have to create opportunities for yourself to 35 00:02:37,971 --> 00:02:41,494 speak in the front of the camera or sometimes I'll just um pick out an articles 36 00:02:41,494 --> 00:02:42,563 an article and they just read it out aloud. so that 37 00:02:42,563 --> 00:02:44,993 I won't forget 38 00:02:44,993 --> 00:02:47,097 yeah just like any skills on Earth 39 00:02:47,097 --> 00:02:47,923 if you want to maintain it 40 00:02:47,923 --> 00:02:49,071 and 41 00:02:49,071 --> 00:02:53,071 keep it up 42 00:02:55,168 --> 00:02:56,345 you have to practice yeah so that's what I'm doing every day as well unfortunate in the sense 43 00:02:56,345 --> 00:03:00,345 that in my line of job 44 00:03:01,813 --> 00:03:02,680 I get to practice English 1 way or another, so I think that's how 45 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,680 I 46 00:03:08,006 --> 00:03:12,006 keep polishing my English well it's funny you mentioned like talking in front of camera because 47 00:03:15,517 --> 00:03:19,517 30 years ago it would be so hard like impossible for you to talk in front of a camera but right now everybody has camera 48 00:03:23,064 --> 00:03:25,148 in their own hands so you can just talk to camera whenever you can put content on TikTok you can put content on YouTube 49 00:03:25,148 --> 00:03:29,148 done right 50 00:03:32,035 --> 00:03:36,035 ? I used to talk in front of the mirror actually oh really? to look at myself not so much on the camera yeah, but I think camera 51 00:03:40,289 --> 00:03:40,683 can help because you can replay and look at yourself how you look or how you sound when you speak in Thai English or whatever language is 52 00:03:40,683 --> 00:03:44,683 you want 53 00:03:47,491 --> 00:03:51,491 . whatever you do when you're uh still anchoring at the nation and on TV 54 00:03:52,075 --> 00:03:56,067 uh in the beginning in the beginning, yeah I'll just practice by myself at home 55 00:03:56,067 --> 00:04:00,067 um speaking out loud so that I would 56 00:04:03,411 --> 00:04:04,712 calm my my nerve down somehow because I get excited too you mentioned before we started taping 57 00:04:04,712 --> 00:04:08,712 that you were nervous 58 00:04:10,105 --> 00:04:14,105 and I couldn't believe it because you've done this for you have been doing this for over 20 years 59 00:04:15,218 --> 00:04:17,747 exactly yeah you still get nervous but I've never talked to you 60 00:04:17,747 --> 00:04:19,328 okay so I'm excited to be meeting you 61 00:04:19,328 --> 00:04:23,328 so that's a good excitement 62 00:04:27,128 --> 00:04:30,912 yeah that's a good kind of excitement yes I look forward to getting to talk to you oh me too same here, so I'm also 63 00:04:30,912 --> 00:04:32,489 excited about the show today. so um let's go back to 64 00:04:32,489 --> 00:04:36,489 20 years ago 65 00:04:38,156 --> 00:04:39,441 when you first started um before you got this job as a 66 00:04:39,441 --> 00:04:41,140 news anchor 67 00:04:41,140 --> 00:04:45,140 what did you do then 68 00:04:47,298 --> 00:04:51,298 before that before that um before that I spent a short time at B 69 00:04:53,101 --> 00:04:57,101 OI Thailand's Board of Investments okay and then before that I just graduated from University 70 00:04:58,934 --> 00:05:01,190 so it's a it was a very short time at BOI and then I went to um Nation TV 71 00:05:01,190 --> 00:05:03,098 so I it was 1 of your first jobs 72 00:05:03,098 --> 00:05:07,098 you started out in in the business 73 00:05:08,757 --> 00:05:10,714 exactly how did you train yourself or how did you uh practice to be on camera 74 00:05:10,714 --> 00:05:14,714 besides talking in front of a mirror of course 75 00:05:17,392 --> 00:05:20,426 uh I look at how other people do it like or all the other more 76 00:05:20,426 --> 00:05:24,426 experience um journalists do it and then 77 00:05:27,288 --> 00:05:31,288 keep on doing it I guess practice makes perfect so the more you do it then you're more the more you get the 78 00:05:33,317 --> 00:05:37,317 feel of it and I guess that's how I would start to feel more comfortable about 79 00:05:37,969 --> 00:05:40,473 saying things or reporting in front of the camera did you have any Idol that you look up to 80 00:05:40,473 --> 00:05:44,473 and try to probably learn from 81 00:05:45,186 --> 00:05:49,186 like the Styles the um uh the way they like report news 82 00:05:50,432 --> 00:05:54,243 um not so much of the style, but I think I learned a lot from 83 00:05:54,243 --> 00:05:55,317 ... um especially how he would focus on the content 84 00:05:55,317 --> 00:05:58,707 of 85 00:05:58,707 --> 00:06:00,677 we want to say and not so much about 86 00:06:00,677 --> 00:06:04,677 how we look 87 00:06:11,633 --> 00:06:13,870 exactly that's amazing and he's been like developing he's been uh changing he's been 88 00:06:13,870 --> 00:06:14,899 um like going with the trends 89 00:06:14,899 --> 00:06:18,899 that's amazing 90 00:06:20,210 --> 00:06:21,583 on his part exactly so working with him I learned a lot especially how he 91 00:06:21,583 --> 00:06:22,255 just doesn't stop 92 00:06:22,255 --> 00:06:25,346 yeah 93 00:06:25,346 --> 00:06:29,346 he keeps on running so in order to keep up with him 94 00:06:30,867 --> 00:06:34,867 at least I have to jog right or else he will be so far ahead that I can't catch up with him 95 00:06:36,416 --> 00:06:40,416 so he has been a role model in many ways as a journalist as 96 00:06:42,995 --> 00:06:45,516 a person who is very diligent and hardworking, and he's always curious about the world around him 97 00:06:45,516 --> 00:06:49,393 so you were like fresh 98 00:06:49,393 --> 00:06:52,684 out of college so to speak more or less yeah more or less and 99 00:06:52,684 --> 00:06:54,058 when was the first time that you got the feelings that 100 00:06:54,058 --> 00:06:57,528 I got it 101 00:06:57,528 --> 00:07:01,528 I have already discovered who I am 102 00:07:01,809 --> 00:07:05,809 on camera and I have my style and I'm confident now 103 00:07:07,194 --> 00:07:11,194 oh it took up quite a long while yeah yeah yes or 104 00:07:12,675 --> 00:07:14,342 months at at least half a year I think oh okay yeah before I can 105 00:07:14,342 --> 00:07:15,680 control myself 106 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:16,759 to the point that 107 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:20,759 my heart 108 00:07:23,465 --> 00:07:27,465 it would be it faster whenever you know the camera man say 5 4 3 2 1 and then camera right 109 00:07:29,181 --> 00:07:33,181 yeah my heart would beat faster but then the time that I can calm it down 110 00:07:33,650 --> 00:07:37,650 would be shorter and shorter ah you control yourself better yeah a little bit by 111 00:07:38,914 --> 00:07:40,251 bit I think right okay and how about when you first 112 00:07:40,251 --> 00:07:44,251 know that 113 00:07:45,589 --> 00:07:46,767 kind of develop your own style that people can tell the difference between ... with other prople and other people 114 00:07:46,767 --> 00:07:48,061 oh that 115 00:07:48,061 --> 00:07:52,061 that I really 116 00:07:53,072 --> 00:07:55,477 I think I have to ask the audience for that yeah because I'm just being myself I guess I don't 117 00:07:55,477 --> 00:07:59,477 I don't plan on 118 00:08:01,233 --> 00:08:03,669 how I will be on camera I I don't plan on that at all I'm just being myself like that 119 00:08:03,669 --> 00:08:04,848 talking to you okay and I think 120 00:08:04,848 --> 00:08:06,177 it is um 121 00:08:06,177 --> 00:08:10,177 it's just natural 122 00:08:11,566 --> 00:08:12,390 so there's no intentional design know in advance of how you want to look 123 00:08:12,390 --> 00:08:16,390 or no 124 00:08:16,783 --> 00:08:18,442 not at all this I see yeah this is me this is the way I am yeah 125 00:08:18,442 --> 00:08:22,442 and people love that 126 00:08:23,516 --> 00:08:25,403 oh thank you yeah me too oh thank you thank you I think everyone is unique 127 00:08:25,403 --> 00:08:29,403 like I look at you 128 00:08:30,765 --> 00:08:34,514 you're yourself the way you talk the way you react and I think we all can sense that 129 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:38,310 that's the sincerity right that we 130 00:08:38,310 --> 00:08:40,139 talk to them on camera yeah but 131 00:08:40,139 --> 00:08:41,543 anyway you came before me like 132 00:08:41,543 --> 00:08:45,543 15 years 133 00:08:47,194 --> 00:08:51,194 at least. so I I'm sure I'm going to learn a lot from you today 134 00:08:52,930 --> 00:08:56,565 . so I I was curious what you think about how easy. it seems 135 00:08:56,565 --> 00:08:58,245 for a lot of people to just be on camera and act as 136 00:08:58,245 --> 00:09:02,045 a reporter or 137 00:09:02,045 --> 00:09:03,552 you know really report from these things 138 00:09:03,552 --> 00:09:07,066 sometimes or 139 00:09:07,066 --> 00:09:09,214 to like analyze whatever is going on in the world 140 00:09:09,214 --> 00:09:13,214 it was pretty easy today 141 00:09:16,853 --> 00:09:19,576 like you know the opportunity that they can learn and uh speaking English uh opportunity to practice themselves 142 00:09:19,576 --> 00:09:23,576 in front of a camera and Technology helps a lot too 143 00:09:24,478 --> 00:09:28,478 . it's pretty easy and how how how do you think about that. um I think it's 144 00:09:31,773 --> 00:09:35,351 easier in the sense that technology helps with the flow of information right it's very easy to find information 145 00:09:35,351 --> 00:09:35,421 um from Google from the internet 146 00:09:35,421 --> 00:09:39,421 but 147 00:09:41,873 --> 00:09:42,620 at the same time because of this overflow of information. I think you have to really be able to 148 00:09:42,620 --> 00:09:44,604 distinguish 149 00:09:44,604 --> 00:09:47,050 . what is what is fake news 150 00:09:47,050 --> 00:09:49,506 what is real news. what is facts 151 00:09:49,506 --> 00:09:53,344 and what is opinion. I think 152 00:09:53,344 --> 00:09:56,799 that's the line that you must be able to draw 153 00:09:56,799 --> 00:10:00,799 with all the information that you see 154 00:10:02,914 --> 00:10:05,553 . yeah so you don't see it as a problem or a threat for someone who came before like a lot of photographers out there 155 00:10:05,553 --> 00:10:09,553 talking about how you know 156 00:10:11,232 --> 00:10:12,161 like technology these days or you know the quality of the camera on on the phone can 157 00:10:12,161 --> 00:10:15,081 can 158 00:10:15,081 --> 00:10:19,081 enable a lot of people to be 159 00:10:19,306 --> 00:10:21,544 almost as good or even better than a professional photographer 160 00:10:21,544 --> 00:10:24,529 so you don't have any problem with that 161 00:10:24,529 --> 00:10:25,805 in terms of like people acting as a news reporter 162 00:10:25,805 --> 00:10:27,822 163 00:10:27,822 --> 00:10:31,822 . no not at all not at all 164 00:10:33,077 --> 00:10:37,077 all are welcome is an open field. yeah I think it's totally up to you 165 00:10:38,611 --> 00:10:41,310 to the audience to decide who they want to listen to maybe it's because of the style of the 166 00:10:41,310 --> 00:10:44,812 personality of the content of 167 00:10:44,812 --> 00:10:48,812 whatever factors. yeah um accessibility like 168 00:10:50,531 --> 00:10:51,589 TikTok probably is easier to watch news on TikTok than on 169 00:10:51,589 --> 00:10:55,589 TV 170 00:10:58,241 --> 00:10:58,831 .maybe people are still watching that maybe for some people so it's totally fine. I think platforms are 171 00:10:58,831 --> 00:11:02,831 not 172 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,202 important at all as long as you can have access to all of those information to listen to the people that you like 173 00:11:07,202 --> 00:11:11,202 . I think that's fine. okay 174 00:11:12,373 --> 00:11:15,181 so talking about platforms um where can we find you these days besides 175 00:11:15,181 --> 00:11:19,181 on global forecast at the standard. oh 176 00:11:23,216 --> 00:11:24,316 ... Monday to Friday okay so how how you say it 177 00:11:24,316 --> 00:11:28,316 working out over there 178 00:11:31,178 --> 00:11:32,001 are you healthy and and oh yeah it's fun yeah it is fun I had great time working there because I get 179 00:11:32,001 --> 00:11:32,631 to learn 180 00:11:32,631 --> 00:11:34,316 a lot 181 00:11:34,316 --> 00:11:38,316 of new things about 182 00:11:39,575 --> 00:11:43,564 the media landscape as well. we are talking about the audience who is a 183 00:11:43,564 --> 00:11:44,958 the mass audience yeah so the type of news 184 00:11:44,958 --> 00:11:47,176 to be presented 185 00:11:47,176 --> 00:11:48,633 to coincide with their 186 00:11:48,633 --> 00:11:49,138 interest 187 00:11:49,138 --> 00:11:52,837 is 188 00:11:52,837 --> 00:11:56,837 something that we have to decide on as well 189 00:11:56,906 --> 00:11:59,638 that is something challenging. and I think different 190 00:11:59,638 --> 00:12:03,638 people enjoy different types of meals 191 00:12:04,321 --> 00:12:05,723 so there's a market segmentation here yeah yeah so for channel 131 192 00:12:05,723 --> 00:12:07,055 we have 1 type of audience 193 00:12:07,055 --> 00:12:10,223 for the standard 194 00:12:10,223 --> 00:12:11,358 we have another type of audience, so I think we have to 195 00:12:11,358 --> 00:12:12,952 pick and choose 196 00:12:12,952 --> 00:12:14,074 what News 2 presents 197 00:12:14,074 --> 00:12:15,648 to which audience 198 00:12:15,648 --> 00:12:18,724 so 199 00:12:18,724 --> 00:12:19,867 is TV a lot different from 200 00:12:19,867 --> 00:12:21,817 what it used to be 201 00:12:21,817 --> 00:12:25,817 10 years ago 202 00:12:29,326 --> 00:12:32,825 um I think people in television need to migrate towards online platform as well 203 00:12:32,825 --> 00:12:34,570 uh but in terms of Television itself 204 00:12:34,570 --> 00:12:38,570 . I think there is a 205 00:12:40,561 --> 00:12:44,128 segmentation as well 206 00:12:44,128 --> 00:12:44,362 . the type of news that you want to watch. then each channel would somehow overlap 207 00:12:44,362 --> 00:12:45,405 and they would have their own 208 00:12:45,405 --> 00:12:49,405 niche market 209 00:12:51,059 --> 00:12:52,069 as well. so it totally depends on the audience which channel you want to look at 210 00:12:52,069 --> 00:12:56,069 . okay 211 00:12:56,910 --> 00:12:59,282 so your focus being the foreign and international news was it 212 00:12:59,282 --> 00:13:03,282 uh we need to start out 213 00:13:03,573 --> 00:13:07,573 at first as an assignment or your pure interest 214 00:13:08,654 --> 00:13:12,654 oh is my pure interest yeah yeah international news it has always been that way 215 00:13:13,545 --> 00:13:14,404 . why? because it's fun because it's exciting because something 216 00:13:14,404 --> 00:13:18,404 somewhere 217 00:13:21,739 --> 00:13:24,844 something is going to happen yeah and you're talking about the world so it's a very big stage here of course 218 00:13:24,844 --> 00:13:28,844 anything happening in Thailand is interesting as well 219 00:13:30,391 --> 00:13:34,391 . but we should keep up with international news as well. in order to learn about the trends 220 00:13:35,569 --> 00:13:38,543 to learn about people to learn about places culture and ideas 221 00:13:38,543 --> 00:13:40,325 we need to know what's going on around the world 222 00:13:40,325 --> 00:13:42,580 . so 223 00:13:42,580 --> 00:13:45,049 does English ability helped a lot 224 00:13:45,049 --> 00:13:48,822 . definitely 225 00:13:48,822 --> 00:13:52,822 any language I think is crucial in helping us 226 00:13:53,753 --> 00:13:57,753 understand the culture of that language and of course knowing another language is like 227 00:14:01,650 --> 00:14:05,650 opening up a whole new world to you if you know English whole world opens up to you you know Chinese you know Russian French 228 00:14:07,561 --> 00:14:11,561 Spanish A Whole New World will open up to you as well yeah all the culture is not just what's going on exactly in terms of 229 00:14:11,749 --> 00:14:13,324 news but how people live over there and how how people think 230 00:14:13,324 --> 00:14:15,636 around the world 231 00:14:15,636 --> 00:14:16,184 . but compared to 232 00:14:16,184 --> 00:14:19,065 but 233 00:14:19,065 --> 00:14:20,183 like internal news like Thai news. a lot of people might 234 00:14:20,183 --> 00:14:22,816 say that 235 00:14:22,816 --> 00:14:24,475 international news or foreign news 236 00:14:24,475 --> 00:14:25,849 is pretty distant 237 00:14:25,849 --> 00:14:29,849 and maybe they 238 00:14:33,029 --> 00:14:37,029 they cannot find the the connection between themselves and what's going on around the world. like why should I 239 00:14:38,102 --> 00:14:39,263 pay like any attention to what's going on in Africa right now. how does it affect me 240 00:14:39,263 --> 00:14:40,875 like personally 241 00:14:40,875 --> 00:14:43,882 .. so what do you think 242 00:14:43,882 --> 00:14:45,304 okay um then maybe you can 243 00:14:45,304 --> 00:14:49,304 get a glimpse 244 00:14:52,145 --> 00:14:56,145 of what's going on around the world and pick on the news that might interest you or might benefit you for instance 245 00:14:57,058 --> 00:14:59,709 okay news about AI artificial intelligence that's the trend 246 00:14:59,709 --> 00:15:02,478 maybe you would want to know 247 00:15:02,478 --> 00:15:04,487 how AI will replace 248 00:15:04,487 --> 00:15:08,487 some jobs in the future 249 00:15:10,016 --> 00:15:13,192 that somehow might affect you.. of course. you have to be prepared for it 250 00:15:13,192 --> 00:15:17,192 so I think you need to pick on what news 251 00:15:17,807 --> 00:15:19,432 you want to follow but for me um watching international news 252 00:15:19,432 --> 00:15:23,432 sometimes it's just like 253 00:15:24,192 --> 00:15:25,935 watching series as well ah for example. Joe Biden 254 00:15:25,935 --> 00:15:29,935 and Donald Trump 255 00:15:31,889 --> 00:15:35,837 there might be a rematch in the election next year yeah for me this is like season 2 of grandpas 256 00:15:35,837 --> 00:15:36,241 trying to win the election again so for me 257 00:15:36,241 --> 00:15:37,364 it's 258 00:15:37,364 --> 00:15:41,364 it's fun it 259 00:15:41,530 --> 00:15:43,358 and it's not that far away America sounds far away 260 00:15:43,358 --> 00:15:46,045 but in the end 261 00:15:46,045 --> 00:15:47,541 if there's a change in precedence or in the political party 262 00:15:47,541 --> 00:15:50,304 then their policies 263 00:15:50,304 --> 00:15:53,913 might affect Thailand as well 264 00:15:53,913 --> 00:15:57,913 . we live in a global village 1 way or another 265 00:15:59,036 --> 00:16:02,256 whatever is happening in other parts of the world might affect us here in Thailand 266 00:16:02,256 --> 00:16:06,256 . well people learn English from 267 00:16:07,827 --> 00:16:11,827 news almost all the time so do you have any like tricks and tips of how to 268 00:16:13,686 --> 00:16:14,905 uh learn more English from following news is especially international news 269 00:16:14,905 --> 00:16:16,600 oh yeah 270 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,600 even even I today 271 00:16:24,284 --> 00:16:24,823 I need to Google I need to open up the dictionary if if I see a word that I don't understand but in order to learn something don't 272 00:16:24,823 --> 00:16:28,665 skip it 273 00:16:28,665 --> 00:16:32,665 . you got to find out what it means and try to memorize it 274 00:16:33,558 --> 00:16:36,991 . okay do you have any uh technique of memorizing words or phrases 275 00:16:36,991 --> 00:16:40,991 . not at all you just have to repeat repeat repeat 276 00:16:42,612 --> 00:16:46,395 and practice practice practice. spend time with it basically spend time with it um I think to 277 00:16:46,395 --> 00:16:49,469 use a language is to be familiar with it 278 00:16:49,469 --> 00:16:53,469 and to be familiar with it is you have to keep on 279 00:16:56,466 --> 00:17:00,466 using it there's no shortcut. okay. if there's a shortcut tell me I want to know too oh me too I want to know too yeah it 280 00:17:01,832 --> 00:17:05,832 well it took us I think like over 20 years for us to get to this point 281 00:17:07,278 --> 00:17:10,605 . the point being having being able to have a conversation in English but 282 00:17:10,605 --> 00:17:14,551 that's something else too. A lot of people say you should 283 00:17:14,551 --> 00:17:18,551 you you should not just learn English by just talking 284 00:17:21,043 --> 00:17:23,855 or listening you you have to um read to you have to write to do you agree with that that we have to 285 00:17:23,855 --> 00:17:25,290 like take like 4 skills altogether and 286 00:17:25,290 --> 00:17:26,600 ... definitely yeah 287 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,667 definitely 288 00:17:28,667 --> 00:17:31,335 All 4 skills are essential 289 00:17:31,335 --> 00:17:33,139 um speaking listening 290 00:17:33,139 --> 00:17:37,139 writing and reading 291 00:17:38,271 --> 00:17:40,964 I think those are very crucial as well because um I think it's 292 00:17:40,964 --> 00:17:44,964 they're they're all comprehensive 293 00:17:45,796 --> 00:17:49,796 . in order for you to further your language capabilities. right 294 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:53,413 . so um let's go back a little bit a little bit to the news especially international news 295 00:17:53,413 --> 00:17:55,699 . so besides 296 00:17:55,699 --> 00:17:59,699 some of the news 297 00:17:59,766 --> 00:18:03,500 uh in Thailand produced by Thai people there's a lot of 298 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:07,500 international news agency out there. we hear about 299 00:18:09,005 --> 00:18:10,347 CNN other times CNBC what have you. so do you have any favorite news 300 00:18:10,347 --> 00:18:11,805 agent 301 00:18:11,805 --> 00:18:15,805 agency that you like 302 00:18:17,132 --> 00:18:17,749 . um not exactly but I sort of scan all of them okay 303 00:18:17,749 --> 00:18:20,547 yeah 304 00:18:20,547 --> 00:18:24,547 to see you know sometimes um 305 00:18:26,944 --> 00:18:30,944 the same story might be written a little bit differently in terms of the details. so if I want to 306 00:18:32,133 --> 00:18:33,719 details and this article from this agency doesn't provide it 307 00:18:33,719 --> 00:18:37,719 . then I'll look elsewhere 308 00:18:40,335 --> 00:18:44,335 . yeah so there's no actual favorite um that I have because I have to look at them al.l 309 00:18:46,154 --> 00:18:48,208 yeah. but what you talked about like CNN BBC these are the English-speaking world 310 00:18:48,208 --> 00:18:49,641 okay what I really wish is 311 00:18:49,641 --> 00:18:53,641 I know 312 00:18:54,790 --> 00:18:58,790 other languages so that I can enter into other worlds as well yeah 313 00:19:00,678 --> 00:19:02,979 . okay. because actually it's not just about the way they write news but their opinion or 314 00:19:02,979 --> 00:19:05,061 attitude or maybe 315 00:19:05,061 --> 00:19:09,061 their stand like what 316 00:19:10,865 --> 00:19:14,865 uh they stand for or uh what they believe in so like editorials 317 00:19:17,006 --> 00:19:19,051 not just the writing style so uh can can you talk more about 318 00:19:19,051 --> 00:19:21,396 what agencies have like 319 00:19:21,396 --> 00:19:25,396 different kind of personalities of 320 00:19:26,072 --> 00:19:29,619 where they are 321 00:19:29,619 --> 00:19:31,108 if a CNN then it's from a US perspective 322 00:19:31,108 --> 00:19:35,108 . if it's BBC 323 00:19:37,587 --> 00:19:40,593 It's a UK perspective. if it's France 24 Deutsche welle then emo Euro 324 00:19:40,593 --> 00:19:44,593 point of view. then if you want something more 325 00:19:45,728 --> 00:19:47,548 in Southeast Asia in asean then it would be for me street times 326 00:19:47,548 --> 00:19:49,066 Singapore or 327 00:19:49,066 --> 00:19:53,066 channel news Asia 328 00:19:54,084 --> 00:19:55,482 or the star Malaysia or if sometimes. I want to dig deeper into 329 00:19:55,482 --> 00:19:58,176 that story 330 00:19:58,176 --> 00:20:02,176 of a particular country then 331 00:20:02,695 --> 00:20:06,440 if I want to know something about the Philippines I would go to rapper 332 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,599 or Malaysia Keeney you know being more spec 333 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:11,599 specific about 334 00:20:13,568 --> 00:20:16,927 the media in that country yeah so it totally depends on 335 00:20:16,927 --> 00:20:20,927 on what news we are talking about if it's Middle East 336 00:20:23,534 --> 00:20:26,578 then it's a that's how they will always um have their headlines first Middle Eastern stories 337 00:20:26,578 --> 00:20:29,563 . first and then their perspective yeah 338 00:20:29,563 --> 00:20:30,934 so that's like geographically 339 00:20:30,934 --> 00:20:34,934 . exactly what about 340 00:20:37,194 --> 00:20:41,194 personality as in terms of like the way they talk or the words they use their attitude 341 00:20:45,378 --> 00:20:49,378 or the color the colorfulness in their language and uh easy or hard to understand like level of English 342 00:20:51,904 --> 00:20:53,536 because I'm asking for those beginners who want to start like following news. 343 00:20:53,536 --> 00:20:57,536 to to improve that English 344 00:20:58,870 --> 00:21:02,870 I think they're all of international standard but of course if you want to talk about 345 00:21:03,531 --> 00:21:07,376 then CNN has the American accent and then BBC has the British accent 346 00:21:07,376 --> 00:21:11,376 right. so it's a little bit different. I think 347 00:21:11,598 --> 00:21:15,078 I would advise what is best to do is for 348 00:21:15,078 --> 00:21:16,756 you or anybody I mean for the audience to 349 00:21:16,756 --> 00:21:20,756 listen to all of them 350 00:21:25,127 --> 00:21:29,127 to read all of them and decide for yourself which 1 suits you best. ah oka.y it's just a feelings that okay I think 351 00:21:30,236 --> 00:21:34,236 uh when I listen or watch the news from this agency I I think I I have the most fun 352 00:21:34,683 --> 00:21:38,683 . it could be that reason too right to follow yeah anyythings at all that you like exactly 353 00:21:39,468 --> 00:21:40,587 anything that you like as long as it makes you keep on 354 00:21:40,587 --> 00:21:44,587 reading 355 00:21:45,382 --> 00:21:47,728 listening being interested makes you want to come back fine enough yes 356 00:21:47,728 --> 00:21:51,385 Okay so 357 00:21:51,385 --> 00:21:55,385 advice would be to try to consume different 358 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,640 source of news. yes. okay so we can just like cross-check the facts probably 359 00:22:02,787 --> 00:22:04,706 exposed yourself to different kinds of accent out there 360 00:22:04,706 --> 00:22:06,262 . exactly. good. but a lot of people might say 361 00:22:06,262 --> 00:22:10,262 to consume 362 00:22:10,567 --> 00:22:12,167 too much news can affect your negatively too it could be 363 00:22:12,167 --> 00:22:16,167 toxic it could 364 00:22:17,369 --> 00:22:19,396 be affected your it could be affected uh in terms of your like emotions 365 00:22:19,396 --> 00:22:20,985 what what is your take on that 366 00:22:20,985 --> 00:22:24,422 . mm how much is too much 367 00:22:24,422 --> 00:22:26,807 how much is too much again that's very personal right 368 00:22:26,807 --> 00:22:28,679 I think you need to 369 00:22:28,679 --> 00:22:29,847 find your own 370 00:22:29,847 --> 00:22:33,847 equilibrium 371 00:22:36,046 --> 00:22:40,046 . I guess of where the line should be. that's that's a good word if you fancy 372 00:22:40,275 --> 00:22:41,089 equilibrium right yeah equilibrium. okay. um 373 00:22:41,089 --> 00:22:41,757 because 374 00:22:41,757 --> 00:22:45,757 like me 375 00:22:46,363 --> 00:22:48,838 I am in the news industry. so I tend to have to follow up 376 00:22:48,838 --> 00:22:52,838 yeah almost all the time 377 00:22:53,028 --> 00:22:55,594 . but sometimes it gets tiring too. yeah. so I'll take a break 378 00:22:55,594 --> 00:22:59,594 okay and then I'll come back to it 379 00:22:59,932 --> 00:23:00,961 have you ever been like depressed by following news too much 380 00:23:00,961 --> 00:23:04,961 . no. no 381 00:23:08,462 --> 00:23:09,717 . I know when to stop mhm yeah 382 00:23:09,717 --> 00:23:10,174 okay so you know your line I I sound mentally strong right but actually yeah but but I think because 383 00:23:10,174 --> 00:23:13,021 I know when to stop like okay this is 384 00:23:13,021 --> 00:23:15,258 this is too much already yeah yeah my my mind is 385 00:23:15,258 --> 00:23:19,258 going crazy now. so okay I'll stop 386 00:23:19,271 --> 00:23:23,271 how do other things and then maybe I'll come back to it but maybe it's something that 387 00:23:24,764 --> 00:23:26,254 the public um is super interested in right now and we have kind of have to follow like um 388 00:23:26,254 --> 00:23:30,254 the thing I remember 389 00:23:30,771 --> 00:23:34,771 like to stand out the most is the m um news like 390 00:23:39,109 --> 00:23:43,109 Moo Pa 5 years back everybody is like paying attention to what the story would end so it's kind of hard to stop yourself from following news right 391 00:23:45,417 --> 00:23:46,622 then just follow. okay. then just follow. I asked you follow the news. what should you 392 00:23:46,622 --> 00:23:50,622 tell yourself 393 00:23:51,031 --> 00:23:55,031 how should you take care of yourself like your mental state 394 00:23:57,067 --> 00:24:00,821 . I think it totally depends on the story. like the mop pa story we all hope that we will find them 395 00:24:00,821 --> 00:24:04,821 alive. right 396 00:24:05,529 --> 00:24:09,122 that's the word to use right we really want to find them alive without 397 00:24:09,122 --> 00:24:10,277 any losses at all. so I think it's 398 00:24:10,277 --> 00:24:14,277 it's um 399 00:24:18,573 --> 00:24:19,403 it's not it doesn't harm your mental health that much. in my opinion. in my opinion but you might lose sleep a lot of people have lost sleep over that 400 00:24:19,403 --> 00:24:23,403 yes yeah 401 00:24:25,672 --> 00:24:29,672 but I think that's okay okay we all show our Goodwill you know of giving moral support 402 00:24:31,428 --> 00:24:35,428 report to all the people who went into the cave to help you know that um they would find everyone alive 403 00:24:35,649 --> 00:24:36,344 and then everyone would be alive out of the cave as well. I think 404 00:24:36,344 --> 00:24:40,344 that is 405 00:24:40,865 --> 00:24:42,662 that is fine in my opinion in my opinion. okay. but like 406 00:24:42,662 --> 00:24:43,498 politics right now 407 00:24:43,498 --> 00:24:45,911 yeah 408 00:24:45,911 --> 00:24:49,911 everyone is catching up 409 00:24:50,076 --> 00:24:51,129 about it every single second as well right right um 410 00:24:51,129 --> 00:24:55,129 this 411 00:24:56,535 --> 00:24:58,453 maybe I think sometimes we might need to take a break maybe it might be too overwhelming 412 00:24:58,453 --> 00:24:59,749 maybe too much yeah 413 00:24:59,749 --> 00:25:02,559 politics 414 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:04,590 maybe step back a little bit 415 00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:08,538 . don't get too involved 416 00:25:08,538 --> 00:25:12,538 . too much into it. I think it can it can somehow 417 00:25:14,205 --> 00:25:15,351 ruin your your your mental health yeah maybe it's not that urgent for you to follow like 24/7 418 00:25:15,351 --> 00:25:16,707 yeah yeah 419 00:25:16,707 --> 00:25:20,707 learned to take a break 420 00:25:22,446 --> 00:25:23,610 exactly yeah so speaking of politics right now I think uh 1 thing that you 421 00:25:23,610 --> 00:25:27,610 the national news 422 00:25:28,424 --> 00:25:30,680 order uh would cover all the time is politics okay so um 423 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,386 politics in Thailand right now what do you think 424 00:25:33,386 --> 00:25:34,376 in terms of what's going on and the news 425 00:25:34,376 --> 00:25:37,163 exciting 426 00:25:37,163 --> 00:25:40,848 and we are in 427 00:25:40,848 --> 00:25:42,700 um we are in a very uncertain time. I think 428 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:43,919 because nothing is definite 429 00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:47,919 . in my opinion 430 00:25:51,065 --> 00:25:51,428 anything can happen this is Thailand. and time and again um Thailand has demonstrated 431 00:25:51,428 --> 00:25:54,380 that 432 00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:54,972 Anything Can Happen. yeah 433 00:25:54,972 --> 00:25:58,972 yeah 434 00:26:01,625 --> 00:26:03,892 . okay so 1 thing that I think we can learn a lot from is from uh 435 00:26:03,892 --> 00:26:07,099 because because he speaks English 436 00:26:07,099 --> 00:26:09,214 for 1 thing and the other thing is that he started 437 00:26:09,214 --> 00:26:12,753 communicating with the world 438 00:26:12,753 --> 00:26:16,537 this is something that we are not used to 439 00:26:16,537 --> 00:26:16,853 at least for the past 440 00:26:16,853 --> 00:26:18,621 10 years or so um 441 00:26:18,621 --> 00:26:20,941 I think the way 442 00:26:20,941 --> 00:26:24,941 PITA speak as 443 00:26:26,809 --> 00:26:28,008 1 of the potential leader is very um interesting and is something that we can learn from 444 00:26:28,008 --> 00:26:28,555 and also 445 00:26:28,555 --> 00:26:32,555 uh 446 00:26:33,204 --> 00:26:36,784 we we we have learned from a lot of like um world leaders out there so 447 00:26:36,784 --> 00:26:39,539 Barack Obama right and uh to Senda 448 00:26:39,539 --> 00:26:43,539 uh from um New Zealand New Zealand and 449 00:26:44,044 --> 00:26:48,044 did you have any favorite world leaders that you like and and for what reasons 450 00:26:49,209 --> 00:26:52,334 oh there are quite a number of them actually I would say 451 00:26:52,334 --> 00:26:53,128 Barack Obama President Barack Obama 452 00:26:53,128 --> 00:26:55,562 um 453 00:26:55,562 --> 00:26:58,300 prime minister Jacinda Arden 454 00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:02,300 the former prime minister of New Zealand 455 00:27:04,697 --> 00:27:08,697 and then of course the legendary late prime minister of Singapore Lee Kuan Yew. ah yes 456 00:27:08,898 --> 00:27:12,898 all of them are excellent speakers is just that they have 457 00:27:13,927 --> 00:27:16,449 different styles different styles. um for Barack Obama 458 00:27:16,449 --> 00:27:18,041 I think he uses 459 00:27:18,041 --> 00:27:20,850 simple words 460 00:27:20,850 --> 00:27:22,454 but they were woven in such a way that 461 00:27:22,454 --> 00:27:24,624 it turned out beautiful 462 00:27:24,624 --> 00:27:26,859 and with his delivery 463 00:27:26,859 --> 00:27:30,671 it turned out 464 00:27:30,671 --> 00:27:34,671 something very uplifting to listen to 465 00:27:36,747 --> 00:27:39,519 . if you listen to his speech Audacity Of Hope or his victory speech in 466 00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:43,519 2008 and so many others um along the way 467 00:27:43,868 --> 00:27:45,260 most of the time he would touch on American values 468 00:27:45,260 --> 00:27:49,169 such as um 469 00:27:49,169 --> 00:27:53,169 how America is a land of opportunities 470 00:27:54,496 --> 00:27:56,410 America is a land of ideals a Land of Hope and dream 471 00:27:56,410 --> 00:27:58,150 and how 472 00:27:58,150 --> 00:27:59,742 he himself 473 00:27:59,742 --> 00:28:00,930 belongs 474 00:28:00,930 --> 00:28:02,417 to 475 00:28:02,417 --> 00:28:04,864 this American Dream 476 00:28:04,864 --> 00:28:08,864 because he became precedents 477 00:28:09,347 --> 00:28:11,734 right so it's his personal story and the story of 478 00:28:11,734 --> 00:28:13,676 American values that 479 00:28:13,676 --> 00:28:17,676 go together 480 00:28:19,434 --> 00:28:20,353 so he was such an eloquent speaker I mean with the same speech if you have 481 00:28:20,353 --> 00:28:22,388 other people 482 00:28:22,388 --> 00:28:24,430 delivering the speech 483 00:28:24,430 --> 00:28:28,430 the modern tone will be different yeah 484 00:28:28,494 --> 00:28:31,331 yeah so it's not just about his content he also adds 485 00:28:31,331 --> 00:28:35,331 personal story and the way he delivers it 486 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,884 yeah the content is 1 thing but the personality of the person delivering it 487 00:28:37,884 --> 00:28:39,296 is also another 488 00:28:39,296 --> 00:28:40,010 important components 489 00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:44,010 true 490 00:28:45,993 --> 00:28:46,949 and what about the Seda Arden um she is of a different style. I guess she is more of a 491 00:28:46,949 --> 00:28:50,949 sympathetic 492 00:28:53,178 --> 00:28:55,964 empathetic emotional type of um Communicator. like in her farewell address 493 00:28:55,964 --> 00:28:59,153 . she was talking about how 494 00:28:59,153 --> 00:29:02,052 no matter who you are or how you are 495 00:29:02,052 --> 00:29:03,588 .you can become a leader as well. so she said 496 00:29:03,588 --> 00:29:05,567 you can lead 497 00:29:05,567 --> 00:29:08,686 like me 498 00:29:08,686 --> 00:29:12,686 . and she almost cried saying it 499 00:29:12,865 --> 00:29:16,110 . so she became emotional and I think it showed um how much 500 00:29:16,110 --> 00:29:18,123 she actually believed in what she said 501 00:29:18,123 --> 00:29:22,123 . very human very relatable 502 00:29:22,847 --> 00:29:24,398 . yeah exactly you know it's emotional you can feel how 503 00:29:24,398 --> 00:29:28,398 she's feeling 504 00:29:30,046 --> 00:29:31,719 . and what about lee wan yuu and you your 1 of your favorites for sure my favorites 505 00:29:31,719 --> 00:29:32,686 if you look at his um 506 00:29:32,686 --> 00:29:35,412 speeches 507 00:29:35,412 --> 00:29:39,206 in his younger years you know for 508 00:29:39,206 --> 00:29:40,351 election rallies or interviews he was so 509 00:29:40,351 --> 00:29:44,126 feisty 510 00:29:44,126 --> 00:29:46,764 um so strong so determined 511 00:29:46,764 --> 00:29:48,113 . I'll give you examples. um 512 00:29:48,113 --> 00:29:52,113 in 1980 513 00:29:54,090 --> 00:29:58,090 the pilots of Singapore Airline they they had a strike and he resolved 514 00:29:58,109 --> 00:29:58,644 so during an election rally 515 00:29:58,644 --> 00:30:00,555 he talked about it 516 00:30:00,555 --> 00:30:02,338 and then he said 517 00:30:02,338 --> 00:30:04,088 anyone who 518 00:30:04,088 --> 00:30:06,560 Wants to Rule Singapore 519 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,084 must have the iron in him 520 00:30:09,084 --> 00:30:11,022 this is not a house of cards 521 00:30:11,022 --> 00:30:11,961 this is about your life 522 00:30:11,961 --> 00:30:13,528 and mine 523 00:30:13,528 --> 00:30:16,032 . I spent 524 00:30:16,032 --> 00:30:17,239 my whole lifetime building 525 00:30:17,239 --> 00:30:19,655 this meaning Singapore 526 00:30:19,655 --> 00:30:22,220 as long as I'm in charge 527 00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:26,220 nobody is going to knock it dow 528 00:30:29,567 --> 00:30:33,567 . so strong words right right clear message. but I really want you to 529 00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:38,470 Google and look at his non-verbal Communications as well 530 00:30:38,606 --> 00:30:42,319 . his face his emotions it was so intense 531 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:45,200 it was so strong and 532 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,200 his message was crystal clear 533 00:30:49,554 --> 00:30:50,223 . he wouldn't give in an inch not even 1 single millimeter 534 00:30:50,223 --> 00:30:52,186 . 535 00:30:52,186 --> 00:30:55,345 so that's the type of person 536 00:30:55,345 --> 00:30:58,885 she is yeah very Frank 537 00:30:58,885 --> 00:31:01,131 very direct. but sometimes he can be funny as well 538 00:31:01,131 --> 00:31:03,437 . yeah because he wants it 539 00:31:03,437 --> 00:31:07,123 even from my sick bed 540 00:31:07,123 --> 00:31:11,123 or if you are lowering me into the grave 541 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,601 and I see that something is not right. I'll get up 542 00:31:13,601 --> 00:31:17,601 . right yeah yeah yeah so 543 00:31:17,988 --> 00:31:21,988 everything is showed how witty he is intelligent 544 00:31:22,836 --> 00:31:25,605 of course. you know we all know his intelligent but he's very witty 545 00:31:25,605 --> 00:31:28,381 and sometimes his humorous as well. yeah 546 00:31:28,381 --> 00:31:30,528 so looking back at Thailand right now 547 00:31:30,528 --> 00:31:32,300 . we're about to have a new leader 548 00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:32,891 . what kind of leader 549 00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:36,208 with 550 00:31:36,208 --> 00:31:40,208 what kind of communication skill 551 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,290 do you think the new leader has to have. I think for any leader at all 552 00:31:42,290 --> 00:31:43,899 . um 553 00:31:43,899 --> 00:31:47,022 there must be able to communicate 554 00:31:47,022 --> 00:31:48,002 . because a lot of time people would say 555 00:31:48,002 --> 00:31:52,002 the leader 556 00:31:52,636 --> 00:31:53,477 forms his job well but he might not be communicating that well 557 00:31:53,477 --> 00:31:57,477 okay 558 00:31:58,811 --> 00:31:59,456 but I think communication is an indispensable quality of a good 559 00:31:59,456 --> 00:32:02,226 leader 560 00:32:02,226 --> 00:32:03,381 so I think for the most 561 00:32:03,381 --> 00:32:07,381 basic 562 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:09,642 criteria for any leader is to tell us clearly 563 00:32:09,642 --> 00:32:12,084 what you think 564 00:32:12,084 --> 00:32:13,363 be able to express 565 00:32:13,363 --> 00:32:17,363 your ideas 566 00:32:19,092 --> 00:32:21,730 be able to articulate what you're thinking so that we understand 567 00:32:21,730 --> 00:32:25,730 whether or not we agree with your policies 568 00:32:27,074 --> 00:32:27,911 is another issue but we are here talking about Communications. so I think 569 00:32:27,911 --> 00:32:29,249 clear 570 00:32:29,249 --> 00:32:32,423 Communications 571 00:32:32,423 --> 00:32:34,180 is very crucial and I think that's 572 00:32:34,180 --> 00:32:38,180 the most um 573 00:32:38,681 --> 00:32:39,399 basic requirements that any leader um should have 574 00:32:39,399 --> 00:32:40,862 . 575 00:32:40,862 --> 00:32:42,180 but to become 576 00:32:42,180 --> 00:32:43,519 great leaders 577 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,015 great communicators 578 00:32:46,015 --> 00:32:50,015 then I think that's another level 579 00:32:50,921 --> 00:32:54,569 . I think great leaders great communicators 580 00:32:54,569 --> 00:32:55,682 would be able to calm the public down 581 00:32:55,682 --> 00:32:56,462 . in times of 582 00:32:56,462 --> 00:32:59,237 crisis 583 00:32:59,237 --> 00:33:00,778 a great leader would be able to 584 00:33:00,778 --> 00:33:03,040 unite the country 585 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,970 in times of 586 00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:08,337 tragedies 587 00:33:08,337 --> 00:33:09,607 . I think great leaders would be able to 588 00:33:09,607 --> 00:33:11,031 soothe the public 589 00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:15,031 in times of 590 00:33:15,948 --> 00:33:17,487 loss and mourning. and great leaders would be able to 591 00:33:17,487 --> 00:33:21,487 motivate the public 592 00:33:22,206 --> 00:33:23,655 in times of challenges. so I think that's another level of 593 00:33:23,655 --> 00:33:25,560 communications 594 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,560 because if we