1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000 2 00:00:01,584 --> 00:00:11,584 it's just like watching series as well ah something somewhere 3 00:00:10,753 --> 00:00:11,234 4 00:00:10,765 --> 00:00:11,831 something is going to happen yeah learning another language is not a Sprint 5 00:00:11,384 --> 00:00:17,254 in fact it's not a marathon I was about to say 6 00:00:17,403 --> 00:00:18,667 primero 7 00:00:18,363 --> 00:00:26,072 L Amour say gundo la tecnica anything can happen this is Thailand and time and again 8 00:00:25,924 --> 00:00:28,169 Thailand has demonstrated that 9 00:00:28,043 --> 00:00:28,289 10 00:00:28,233 --> 00:00:33,019 anything can happen I have another favorite word this word 11 00:00:32,964 --> 00:00:35,111 makes me excited 12 00:00:35,014 --> 00:00:37,021 starts with an n 13 00:00:42,444 --> 00:00:45,241 okay s e what do you think 14 00:00:45,074 --> 00:00:49,075 it has an e in it 15 00:00:50,516 --> 00:01:00,459 this is candidi featuring my name is Vic and welcome to vision 16 00:01:00,197 --> 00:01:00,611 17 00:01:00,515 --> 00:01:06,009 and today we're talking to people 18 00:01:05,895 --> 00:01:08,481 for having me oh you're welcome 19 00:01:08,514 --> 00:01:09,402 is 20 00:01:09,284 --> 00:01:12,150 great pleasure that you stopped by today 21 00:01:12,163 --> 00:01:19,262 oh it's my pleasure the pleasure is all mine okay so actually we're neighbors right exactly because you're working over at the standard 22 00:01:19,474 --> 00:01:21,554 or the global Focus program 23 00:01:21,456 --> 00:01:27,030 yes yeah um so it's a once a week program since you give me um this opportunity 24 00:01:27,093 --> 00:01:32,766 please allow me to promote my program sure of course go ahead proper focus is a weekly program 25 00:01:32,735 --> 00:01:38,207 and me and my team will pick international news that we think would be interest 26 00:01:38,044 --> 00:01:43,799 for the audience and present it to you once a week I'm a big fan also thank you 27 00:01:43,683 --> 00:01:49,916 you used to like once you 28 00:01:50,034 --> 00:01:55,143 did the interview in English to talking to the first French woman 29 00:01:55,095 --> 00:02:00,532 Astronaut Astronaut exactly exactly I love that yeah me too yeah she was so inspiring 30 00:02:00,403 --> 00:02:04,787 so many ways so do you still get to do the English interview often 31 00:02:04,634 --> 00:02:05,020 32 00:02:05,025 --> 00:02:12,986 not anymore not as much as I would like and not as much as before yeah actually your your your problem is kind of like 33 00:02:13,033 --> 00:02:15,885 similar to most people's problem 34 00:02:15,913 --> 00:02:21,293 in Thailand because we have been taking all these courses and classes in English 35 00:02:21,235 --> 00:02:22,564 since we are what like 36 00:02:22,443 --> 00:02:25,593 7 right and we don't get to use English 37 00:02:25,719 --> 00:02:26,347 almost 38 00:02:26,543 --> 00:02:27,289 never 39 00:02:27,314 --> 00:02:30,757 then you have to create opportunities for yourself to 40 00:02:30,585 --> 00:02:35,901 speak in the front of the camera or sometimes I'll just um pick out an articles 41 00:02:36,035 --> 00:02:39,422 an article and they just read it out aloud so that 42 00:02:39,165 --> 00:02:40,494 I won't forget 43 00:02:40,384 --> 00:02:42,924 yeah just like any skills on Earth 44 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,027 if you want to maintain it 45 00:02:44,934 --> 00:02:45,855 and 46 00:02:46,153 --> 00:02:47,002 keep it up 47 00:02:47,176 --> 00:02:53,096 you have to practice yeah so that's what I'm doing every day as well unfortunate in the sense 48 00:02:52,685 --> 00:02:54,276 that in my line of job 49 00:02:54,225 --> 00:02:59,745 I get to practice English 1 way or another so I think that's how 50 00:02:59,595 --> 00:03:00,610 I 51 00:03:00,434 --> 00:03:05,938 key polishing my English well it's funny you mentioned like talking in front of camera because 52 00:03:06,195 --> 00:03:13,448 30 years ago it would be so hard like impossible for you to talk in front of a camera but right now everybody has camera 53 00:03:13,565 --> 00:03:20,995 in their own hands so you can just talk to camera whenever you can put content on Tik Tok you can put content on YouTube 54 00:03:21,125 --> 00:03:21,727 55 00:03:22,084 --> 00:03:23,080 done right 56 00:03:23,304 --> 00:03:29,967 I used to talk in front of the mirror actually oh really to look at myself not so much on the camera yeah but I think camera 57 00:03:29,715 --> 00:03:38,221 can help because you can replay and look at yourself how you look or how you sound when you speak in Thai English or whatever language is 58 00:03:37,915 --> 00:03:38,613 you want 59 00:03:38,617 --> 00:03:45,423 whatever you do when you're uh still anchoring at the nation and on TV 60 00:03:43,677 --> 00:03:50,005 uh in the beginning in the beginning yeah I'll just practice by myself at home 61 00:03:50,155 --> 00:03:53,998 um speaking out loud so that I would 62 00:03:53,923 --> 00:04:01,342 calm my my nerve down somehow because I get excited too you mentioned before we started taping 63 00:04:01,235 --> 00:04:02,643 that you were nervous 64 00:04:02,443 --> 00:04:02,865 65 00:04:02,635 --> 00:04:08,035 and I couldn't believe it because you've done this for you have been doing this for over 20 years 66 00:04:07,834 --> 00:04:13,149 exactly yeah you still get nervous but I've never talked to you 67 00:04:12,954 --> 00:04:15,678 okay so I'm excited to be meeting you 68 00:04:15,645 --> 00:04:17,259 so that's a good excitement 69 00:04:17,316 --> 00:04:25,058 yeah that's a good kind of excitement yes I look forward to getting to talk to you oh me too same here so I'm also 70 00:04:24,803 --> 00:04:28,842 excited about the show today so um let's go back to 71 00:04:29,225 --> 00:04:30,419 20 years ago 72 00:04:30,314 --> 00:04:30,575 73 00:04:30,444 --> 00:04:36,087 when you first started um before you got this job as a 74 00:04:35,955 --> 00:04:37,373 news anchor 75 00:04:37,613 --> 00:04:37,865 76 00:04:37,934 --> 00:04:39,071 what did you do then 77 00:04:39,356 --> 00:04:45,228 before that before that um before that I spent a short time at Boi 78 00:04:45,113 --> 00:04:51,032 Thailand's Board of Investments okay and then before that I just graduated from University 79 00:04:51,073 --> 00:04:56,866 so it's a it was a very short time at Boi and then I went to um Nation TV 80 00:04:56,643 --> 00:04:59,121 so I it was 1 of your first jobs 81 00:04:58,953 --> 00:05:01,029 you started out in in the business 82 00:05:01,065 --> 00:05:06,689 exactly how did you train yourself or how did you uh practice to be on camera 83 00:05:06,573 --> 00:05:08,642 besides talking in front of a mirror of course 84 00:05:08,683 --> 00:05:15,323 uh I look at how other people do it like or all the other more 85 00:05:15,284 --> 00:05:18,354 experience um journalists do it and then 86 00:05:18,425 --> 00:05:25,218 keep on doing it I guess practice makes perfect so the more you do it then you're more the more you get the 87 00:05:25,023 --> 00:05:31,247 view of it and I guess that's how I would start to feel more comfortable about 88 00:05:30,475 --> 00:05:35,898 saying things or reporting in front of the camera did you have any Idol that you look up to 89 00:05:35,653 --> 00:05:38,403 and try to probably learn from 90 00:05:38,223 --> 00:05:43,116 like the Styles the um uh the way they like report news 91 00:05:43,084 --> 00:05:48,363 um not so much of the style but I think I learned a lot from 92 00:05:48,533 --> 00:05:52,172 um especially how he would focus on the content 93 00:05:52,247 --> 00:05:53,246 of 94 00:05:53,596 --> 00:05:56,637 we want to say and not so much about 95 00:05:56,473 --> 00:05:58,608 how we look 96 00:06:03,653 --> 00:06:09,561 exactly that's amazing and he's been like developing he's been uh changing he's been 97 00:06:09,556 --> 00:06:11,802 um like going with the trends 98 00:06:11,859 --> 00:06:12,830 that's amazing 99 00:06:12,812 --> 00:06:18,142 on his part exactly so working with him I learned a lot especially how he 100 00:06:18,134 --> 00:06:19,514 she just doesn't stop 101 00:06:19,542 --> 00:06:20,186 yeah 102 00:06:20,113 --> 00:06:23,278 he keeps on running so in order to keep up with him 103 00:06:23,513 --> 00:06:28,799 at least I have to jog right or else he will be so far ahead that I can't catch up with him 104 00:06:28,764 --> 00:06:34,347 so he has been a role model in many ways as a journalist as 105 00:06:34,214 --> 00:06:40,926 a person who is very diligent and hardworking and he's always curious about the world around him 106 00:06:40,744 --> 00:06:43,446 mhm so you were like fresh 107 00:06:43,313 --> 00:06:47,323 out of college so to speak more or less yeah more or less and 108 00:06:47,276 --> 00:06:50,615 when was the first time that you got the feelings that 109 00:06:51,126 --> 00:06:51,989 I got it 110 00:06:52,275 --> 00:06:55,459 I have already discovered who I am 111 00:06:55,476 --> 00:06:59,740 on camera and I have my style and I'm confident now 112 00:06:59,775 --> 00:07:00,272 113 00:07:00,674 --> 00:07:05,123 oh it took up quite a long while yeah yeah yes or 114 00:07:04,956 --> 00:07:10,605 months at at least half a year I think oh okay yeah before before I can 115 00:07:10,722 --> 00:07:12,274 control myself 116 00:07:12,264 --> 00:07:13,612 to the point that 117 00:07:13,604 --> 00:07:14,690 my heart 118 00:07:15,085 --> 00:07:21,396 it would be it faster whenever you know the cameraman say 54321 and then camera right 119 00:07:21,234 --> 00:07:27,110 yeah my heart would beat faster but then the time that I can calm it down 120 00:07:26,995 --> 00:07:31,581 be shorter and shorter ah you control yourself better yeah a little bit 121 00:07:31,613 --> 00:07:36,845 by bit by bit I think right okay and how about when you first 122 00:07:37,113 --> 00:07:38,181 know that 123 00:07:38,203 --> 00:07:43,520 kind of develop your own style that people can tell the difference between without and other people 124 00:07:43,713 --> 00:07:44,697 oh that 125 00:07:44,802 --> 00:07:45,992 that I really 126 00:07:45,892 --> 00:07:51,003 I think I have to ask the audience for that yeah because I'm just being myself I guess I don't 127 00:07:50,956 --> 00:07:53,407 I don't plan on 128 00:07:53,456 --> 00:07:59,164 how I will be on camera I I don't plan on that at all I'm just being myself like that 129 00:07:59,155 --> 00:08:01,599 talking to you okay and I think 130 00:08:01,593 --> 00:08:02,779 it is um 131 00:08:02,993 --> 00:08:04,108 it's just natural 132 00:08:04,223 --> 00:08:09,497 so there's no intentional design know in advance of how you want to look 133 00:08:09,343 --> 00:08:10,320 or no 134 00:08:10,172 --> 00:08:14,713 not at all this I see yeah this is me this is the way I am yeah 135 00:08:15,114 --> 00:08:16,373 and people love that 136 00:08:16,514 --> 00:08:21,447 oh thank you yeah me too oh thank you thank you I think everyone is unique 137 00:08:21,322 --> 00:08:23,333 like I look at you 138 00:08:23,373 --> 00:08:28,695 you're yourself the way you talk the way you react and I think we all can sense that 139 00:08:29,203 --> 00:08:32,444 that's the sincerity right that we 140 00:08:32,343 --> 00:08:36,237 talk to them on camera yeah but 141 00:08:36,112 --> 00:08:38,071 anyway you came before me like 142 00:08:38,043 --> 00:08:39,473 15 years 143 00:08:39,324 --> 00:08:45,124 at least so I I'm sure I'm going to learn a lot from you today 144 00:08:45,033 --> 00:08:50,860 so I I was curious what you think about how easy it seems 145 00:08:50,914 --> 00:08:54,496 for a lot of people to just be on camera and act as 146 00:08:54,573 --> 00:08:56,175 a reporter or 147 00:08:56,043 --> 00:08:59,976 you know really report uh from these things 148 00:08:59,693 --> 00:09:01,483 sometimes or 149 00:09:01,434 --> 00:09:04,997 to like analyze whatever is going on in the world 150 00:09:04,883 --> 00:09:05,165 151 00:09:05,203 --> 00:09:07,146 it was pretty easy today 152 00:09:07,193 --> 00:09:14,784 like um you know the opportunity that they can learn and uh speaking English uh opportunity to practice themselves 153 00:09:14,752 --> 00:09:17,507 in front of a camera and Technology helps a lot too 154 00:09:17,633 --> 00:09:22,410 it's pretty easy and how how how do you think about that um I think it's 155 00:09:22,692 --> 00:09:29,704 easier in the sense that technology helps with the flow of information right it's very easy to find information 156 00:09:29,613 --> 00:09:33,283 um from Google from the internet 157 00:09:32,683 --> 00:09:33,352 but 158 00:09:33,513 --> 00:09:39,804 at the same time because of this overflow of information I think you have to really be able to 159 00:09:39,675 --> 00:09:40,550 distinguish 160 00:09:40,693 --> 00:09:42,535 what is what is fake news 161 00:09:42,492 --> 00:09:44,981 what is real news what is facts 162 00:09:44,794 --> 00:09:47,438 and what is opinion I think 163 00:09:47,423 --> 00:09:51,275 that's the line that you must be able to draw 164 00:09:50,753 --> 00:09:51,079 165 00:09:51,073 --> 00:09:54,728 with all the information that you see 166 00:09:53,833 --> 00:10:00,841 yeah so you don't see it as a problem or a threat for someone who came before like a lot of photographers out there 167 00:10:00,947 --> 00:10:03,484 talking about how you know 168 00:10:03,433 --> 00:10:09,162 like technology these days or you know the the quality of the camera on on the phone can 169 00:10:09,334 --> 00:10:10,092 can 170 00:10:10,103 --> 00:10:13,012 enable a lot of people to be 171 00:10:13,234 --> 00:10:17,236 almost as good or even better than a professional photographer 172 00:10:17,214 --> 00:10:19,476 so you don't have any problem with that 173 00:10:19,394 --> 00:10:19,817 174 00:10:19,514 --> 00:10:22,458 in terms of like people acting as a news reporter 175 00:10:22,656 --> 00:10:23,736 mm 176 00:10:23,624 --> 00:10:25,753 no not at all not at all 177 00:10:25,674 --> 00:10:31,009 all are welcome is an open field yeah I think it's totally up to you 178 00:10:30,915 --> 00:10:36,543 to the audience to decide who they want to listen to maybe it's because of the style of the 179 00:10:36,365 --> 00:10:39,242 personality of the content of 180 00:10:39,385 --> 00:10:42,741 whatever factors yeah um accessibility like 181 00:10:42,835 --> 00:10:48,460 Tik Tok probably is easier to watch news on Tik Tok than on 182 00:10:48,674 --> 00:10:49,521 TV 183 00:10:49,954 --> 00:10:56,171 maybe people are still watching that maybe for some people so it's totally fine I think platforms are 184 00:10:56,104 --> 00:10:56,762 not 185 00:10:56,614 --> 00:11:03,371 important at all as long as you can have access to all of those information to listen to the people that you like 186 00:11:03,275 --> 00:11:05,132 I think that's fine okay 187 00:11:04,944 --> 00:11:10,304 so talking about platforms um where can we find you these days besides 188 00:11:10,385 --> 00:11:13,112 on global forecast at the standard oh 189 00:11:17,756 --> 00:11:21,147 here Monday to Friday okay so how how you say it 190 00:11:20,894 --> 00:11:22,245 working out over there 191 00:11:22,306 --> 00:11:29,108 are are you healthy and and oh yeah it's fun yeah it is fun I had great time working there because I get 192 00:11:29,095 --> 00:11:29,932 to learn 193 00:11:29,797 --> 00:11:30,562 a lot 194 00:11:30,435 --> 00:11:32,246 of new things about 195 00:11:32,295 --> 00:11:37,502 the media landscape as well um we are talking about the audience who is a 196 00:11:37,747 --> 00:11:41,495 the mass audience yeah so the type of news 197 00:11:41,452 --> 00:11:41,848 198 00:11:41,583 --> 00:11:42,890 to be presented 199 00:11:43,245 --> 00:11:45,106 to coincide with their 200 00:11:44,983 --> 00:11:46,564 interest 201 00:11:46,326 --> 00:11:47,069 is 202 00:11:47,094 --> 00:11:50,767 something that we have to decide on as well 203 00:11:50,427 --> 00:11:54,836 that is something challenging and I think different 204 00:11:54,784 --> 00:11:57,569 people enjoy different types of meals 205 00:11:57,475 --> 00:12:02,251 so there's a market segmentation here yeah yeah so for channel 131 206 00:12:02,155 --> 00:12:03,653 we have 1 type of audience 207 00:12:03,813 --> 00:12:04,986 for the standard 208 00:12:05,035 --> 00:12:08,154 we have another type of audience so I think we have to 209 00:12:08,104 --> 00:12:09,289 pick and choose 210 00:12:09,254 --> 00:12:10,883 what News 2 presents 211 00:12:10,736 --> 00:12:12,005 to which audience 212 00:12:11,954 --> 00:12:13,579 so 213 00:12:13,613 --> 00:12:16,655 TV a lot different from 214 00:12:16,554 --> 00:12:17,798 what it used to be 215 00:12:17,974 --> 00:12:18,380 216 00:12:18,485 --> 00:12:19,749 10 years ago 217 00:12:19,766 --> 00:12:20,697 218 00:12:20,723 --> 00:12:27,258 um I think people in television need to migrate towards online platform as well 219 00:12:27,398 --> 00:12:30,756 uh but in terms of Television itself 220 00:12:30,653 --> 00:12:32,499 I think there is a 221 00:12:32,445 --> 00:12:34,074 segmentation as well 222 00:12:33,983 --> 00:12:40,426 the type of news that you want to watch then each channel would somehow overlap 223 00:12:40,583 --> 00:12:42,294 and they would have their own 224 00:12:42,244 --> 00:12:43,336 niche market 225 00:12:43,213 --> 00:12:48,991 as well so it totally depends on the audience which channel you want to look at 226 00:12:48,974 --> 00:12:50,000 okay 227 00:12:49,745 --> 00:12:54,841 so your focus being the foreign and international news was it 228 00:12:54,874 --> 00:12:57,211 uh we need to start out 229 00:12:57,686 --> 00:13:01,504 at first as an assignment or your pure interest 230 00:13:01,594 --> 00:13:06,583 how is my pure interest yeah yeah international news it has always been that way 231 00:13:06,394 --> 00:13:11,475 why because it's fun because it's exciting because something 232 00:13:11,273 --> 00:13:12,335 somewhere 233 00:13:13,065 --> 00:13:19,670 something is going to happen yeah and you're talking about the world so it's a very big stage here of course 234 00:13:19,855 --> 00:13:22,774 anything happening in Thailand is interesting as well 235 00:13:22,734 --> 00:13:28,318 but we should keep up with international news as well in order to learn about the trends 236 00:13:28,184 --> 00:13:33,500 to learn about people to learn about places culture and ideas 237 00:13:33,563 --> 00:13:36,474 we need to know what's going on around the world 238 00:13:36,313 --> 00:13:38,254 mhm so 239 00:13:38,173 --> 00:13:40,509 does English ability helped a lot 240 00:13:40,484 --> 00:13:42,981 oh definitely definitely 241 00:13:42,983 --> 00:13:46,753 any language I think is crucial in helping us 242 00:13:46,692 --> 00:13:51,683 understand the culture of that language and of course knowing another language is like 243 00:13:51,634 --> 00:13:59,580 opening up a whole new world to you if you know English whole world opens up to you you know Chinese you know Russian French 244 00:13:59,442 --> 00:14:05,491 Spanish A Whole New World will open up to you as well yeah all the culture is not just what's going on exactly in terms of 245 00:14:05,272 --> 00:14:09,680 news but how people live over there and how how people think 246 00:14:09,694 --> 00:14:11,240 around the world 247 00:14:11,102 --> 00:14:14,115 but 248 00:14:11,673 --> 00:14:13,567 um compared to 249 00:14:13,476 --> 00:14:16,996 like internal news like Thai news a lot of people might 250 00:14:16,801 --> 00:14:18,115 say that 251 00:14:18,153 --> 00:14:20,748 international news or foreign news 252 00:14:20,843 --> 00:14:22,407 is pretty distant 253 00:14:22,383 --> 00:14:23,781 and maybe they 254 00:14:23,662 --> 00:14:30,960 they cannot find the the connection between themselves and what's going on around the world like why should I 255 00:14:30,712 --> 00:14:36,033 pay like any attention to what's going on in Africa right now how does it affect me 256 00:14:35,953 --> 00:14:37,194 like personally 257 00:14:37,503 --> 00:14:38,805 so what do you think 258 00:14:38,592 --> 00:14:41,813 okay um then maybe you can 259 00:14:41,851 --> 00:14:43,235 get a glimpse 260 00:14:43,132 --> 00:14:50,076 of what's going on around the world and pick on the news that might interest you or might benefit you for instance 261 00:14:49,671 --> 00:14:54,989 okay news about AI artificial intelligence that's the trend 262 00:14:55,181 --> 00:14:57,639 maybe you would want to know 263 00:14:57,802 --> 00:15:00,408 how AI will replace 264 00:15:00,553 --> 00:15:02,419 some jobs in the future 265 00:15:02,551 --> 00:15:03,045 266 00:15:02,993 --> 00:15:07,946 that somehow might affect you of course you have to be prepared for it 267 00:15:07,793 --> 00:15:11,123 so I think you need to pick on what news 268 00:15:11,002 --> 00:15:11,247 269 00:15:11,194 --> 00:15:15,736 you want to follow but for me um watching international news 270 00:15:15,873 --> 00:15:17,364 sometimes it's just like 271 00:15:17,533 --> 00:15:22,121 watching series as well ah for example um Joe Biden 272 00:15:22,273 --> 00:15:23,866 and Donald Trump 273 00:15:24,262 --> 00:15:29,819 there might be a rematch in the election next year yeah for me this is like season 2 of grandpas 274 00:15:29,715 --> 00:15:33,767 trying to win the election again so for me 275 00:15:33,614 --> 00:15:34,172 it's 276 00:15:34,123 --> 00:15:35,294 it's fun it 277 00:15:35,222 --> 00:15:39,461 and it's not that far away America sounds far away 278 00:15:38,933 --> 00:15:41,288 but in the end 279 00:15:40,533 --> 00:15:43,976 if there's a change in precedence or in the political party 280 00:15:43,995 --> 00:15:45,471 then their policies 281 00:15:45,402 --> 00:15:48,235 might affect Thailand as well 282 00:15:48,094 --> 00:15:51,842 we live in a global village 1 way or another 283 00:15:52,076 --> 00:15:56,966 whatever is happening in other parts of the world might affect us here in Thailand 284 00:15:56,933 --> 00:16:00,187 well um people learn English from 285 00:16:00,143 --> 00:16:05,757 news almost all the time so do you have any like uh tricks and tips of how to 286 00:16:05,963 --> 00:16:11,617 uh learn more English from following news is especially international news 287 00:16:11,674 --> 00:16:12,834 oh yeah 288 00:16:12,823 --> 00:16:14,531 even even I today 289 00:16:14,484 --> 00:16:22,215 I need to Google I need to open up the dictionary if if I see a word that I don't understand but in order to learn something don't 290 00:16:22,114 --> 00:16:22,754 skip it 291 00:16:22,872 --> 00:16:26,595 you got to find out what it means and try to memorize it 292 00:16:26,533 --> 00:16:31,489 okay do you have any uh technique of memorizing words or phrases 293 00:16:31,396 --> 00:16:34,923 not at all you just have to repeat repeat repeat 294 00:16:34,796 --> 00:16:40,543 mhm and practice practice practice spend time with it basically spend time with it um I think to 295 00:16:40,504 --> 00:16:44,325 use a language is to be familiar with it 296 00:16:44,213 --> 00:16:47,400 and to be familiar with it is you have to keep on 297 00:16:47,282 --> 00:16:54,396 using it there's no shortcut okay if there's a shortcut tell me I want to know too oh me too I want to know too yeah it 298 00:16:54,273 --> 00:16:59,761 well it took us I think like over 20 years for us to get to this point 299 00:16:59,713 --> 00:17:05,207 uh the point being having being able to have a conversation in English but 300 00:17:05,354 --> 00:17:08,536 that's something else too A lot of people say you should 301 00:17:08,753 --> 00:17:12,481 uh you you should not just learn English by just talking 302 00:17:12,463 --> 00:17:18,974 or listening you you have to um read to you have to write to do you agree with that that we have to 303 00:17:18,872 --> 00:17:21,785 like take like 4 skills altogether and 304 00:17:21,821 --> 00:17:23,221 definitely yeah 305 00:17:23,164 --> 00:17:24,531 definitely 306 00:17:24,703 --> 00:17:26,598 All 4 skills are essential 307 00:17:26,553 --> 00:17:29,266 um speaking listening 308 00:17:29,314 --> 00:17:31,070 writing and reading 309 00:17:31,173 --> 00:17:36,201 I think those are very crucial as well because um I think it's 310 00:17:36,424 --> 00:17:38,895 they're they're all comprehensive 311 00:17:38,732 --> 00:17:43,728 in order for you to further your language capabilities right 312 00:17:43,593 --> 00:17:43,870 313 00:17:43,983 --> 00:17:49,767 so um let's go back a little bit a little bit to um the news especially international news 314 00:17:49,434 --> 00:17:51,345 so um besides 315 00:17:51,285 --> 00:17:53,631 some of the news 316 00:17:53,463 --> 00:17:57,696 uh in Thailand produced by Thai people there's a lot of 317 00:17:57,562 --> 00:18:01,431 international news agency out there we hear about 318 00:18:01,534 --> 00:18:06,936 CNN other times CNBC what have you so do you have any favorite news 319 00:18:07,302 --> 00:18:08,278 agent 320 00:18:08,132 --> 00:18:09,736 agency that you like 321 00:18:09,603 --> 00:18:15,059 um not exactly but I sort of scan all of them okay 322 00:18:14,994 --> 00:18:15,680 yeah 323 00:18:15,563 --> 00:18:18,479 to see you know sometimes um 324 00:18:18,774 --> 00:18:24,875 the same story might be written a little bit differently in terms of the details so if I want to 325 00:18:24,663 --> 00:18:30,064 details and this article from this agency doesn't provide it 326 00:18:29,911 --> 00:18:31,648 then I'll look elsewhere 327 00:18:31,579 --> 00:18:32,001 328 00:18:32,411 --> 00:18:38,265 yeah so there's no actual favorite um that I have because I have to look at them all 329 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:44,085 yeah but what you talked about like CNN BBC these are the English-speaking world 330 00:18:44,270 --> 00:18:46,137 okay what I really wish is 331 00:18:46,439 --> 00:18:47,573 I know 332 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:52,721 other languages so that I can enter into other worlds as well yeah 333 00:18:52,661 --> 00:18:58,609 okay because actually it's not just about the way they write news but their opinion or 334 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,908 attitude or maybe 335 00:19:00,795 --> 00:19:02,991 their stance like what 336 00:19:02,842 --> 00:19:08,795 uh they stand for or uh what they believe in so like editorials 337 00:19:08,550 --> 00:19:09,626 338 00:19:09,250 --> 00:19:14,935 not just the writing style so uh can can you talk more about 339 00:19:15,071 --> 00:19:16,982 what agencies have like 340 00:19:16,872 --> 00:19:19,327 different kind of personalities of 341 00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:24,003 where they are 342 00:19:23,910 --> 00:19:27,551 if a CNN then it's from a US perspective 343 00:19:27,570 --> 00:19:27,779 344 00:19:27,759 --> 00:19:29,039 if it's BBC 345 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:35,519 It's a UK perspective if it's France 24 Deutsche welle then emo Euro 346 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,525 point of view then if you want something more 347 00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:43,659 in Southeast Asia in asean then it would be for me street times 348 00:19:43,589 --> 00:19:45,479 Singapore or 349 00:19:45,379 --> 00:19:46,997 channel news Asia 350 00:19:46,911 --> 00:19:52,014 or the star Malaysia or if sometimes I want to dig deeper into 351 00:19:52,042 --> 00:19:53,413 that story 352 00:19:53,322 --> 00:19:56,106 of a particular country then 353 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,626 if I want to know something about the Philippines I would go to rappler 354 00:20:00,430 --> 00:20:00,710 355 00:20:00,694 --> 00:20:04,370 or Malaysia Malaysia Keeney you know being more spec 356 00:20:04,150 --> 00:20:05,528 specific about 357 00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:05,670 358 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:11,499 the media in that country yeah so it totally depends on 359 00:20:11,453 --> 00:20:14,858 on what news we are talking about if it's Middle East 360 00:20:14,852 --> 00:20:21,465 then it's a that's how they will always um have their headlines first Middle Eastern stories 361 00:20:21,311 --> 00:20:24,510 first and then their perspective yeah 362 00:20:24,391 --> 00:20:27,494 so that's like geographically 363 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,865 exactly what about 364 00:20:29,001 --> 00:20:35,124 personality as in terms of like the way they talk or the worst they use their attitude 365 00:20:35,030 --> 00:20:43,309 or the color the colorfulness in their language and uh easy or hard to understand like level of English 366 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:49,834 because I'm asking for those uh beginners who want to start like following news uh 367 00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:51,468 to to improve that English 368 00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:56,801 I think they're all of international standard but of course if you want to talk about 369 00:20:56,621 --> 00:21:01,462 then CNN has the American accent and then BBC has the British accent 370 00:21:01,161 --> 00:21:01,521 371 00:21:01,352 --> 00:21:05,308 right so it's a little bit different um I think 372 00:21:05,651 --> 00:21:09,527 I would advise what is best to do is for 373 00:21:09,432 --> 00:21:13,009 you or anybody I mean for the audience to 374 00:21:13,150 --> 00:21:14,687 listen to all of them 375 00:21:14,552 --> 00:21:23,056 to read all of them and decide for yourself which 1 suits you best ah okay it's just a feelings that okay I think 376 00:21:22,881 --> 00:21:28,167 uh when I listen or watch the news from this agency I I think I I have the most fun 377 00:21:28,272 --> 00:21:32,612 it could be that reason too right to follow yeah anybody at all that you like exactly 378 00:21:32,623 --> 00:21:37,397 anything that you like as long as it makes you keep on 379 00:21:37,624 --> 00:21:38,516 reading 380 00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:43,312 listening being interested makes you want to come back fine enough yes 381 00:21:43,192 --> 00:21:43,549 382 00:21:43,311 --> 00:21:45,659 Okay so 383 00:21:45,630 --> 00:21:49,315 advice would be to try to consume different 384 00:21:49,471 --> 00:21:55,571 source of news yes okay so we can just like cross-check the facts probably 385 00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:56,278 386 00:21:56,260 --> 00:22:00,719 exposed yourself to different kinds of accent out there 387 00:21:59,842 --> 00:22:02,636 exactly good but a lot of people might say 388 00:22:02,922 --> 00:22:04,193 to consume 389 00:22:04,332 --> 00:22:08,498 too much news can affect your negatively too it could be 390 00:22:08,431 --> 00:22:08,663 391 00:22:08,632 --> 00:22:10,098 toxic it could 392 00:22:09,969 --> 00:22:15,298 be affected your it could be affected uh in terms of your like emotions 393 00:22:15,281 --> 00:22:17,327 what what is your take on that 394 00:22:16,893 --> 00:22:17,177 395 00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:18,915 mm how much is too much 396 00:22:19,069 --> 00:22:22,353 how much is too much again that's very personal right 397 00:22:22,269 --> 00:22:22,542 398 00:22:22,649 --> 00:22:24,738 I think you need to 399 00:22:24,639 --> 00:22:24,872 400 00:22:24,829 --> 00:22:26,608 find your own 401 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:27,778 equilibrium 402 00:22:27,841 --> 00:22:33,977 I guess of where the line should be that's that's a good word if you fancy 403 00:22:34,189 --> 00:22:34,443 404 00:22:34,439 --> 00:22:38,205 equilibrium right yeah equilibrium okay um 405 00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:39,020 because 406 00:22:38,919 --> 00:22:39,688 like me 407 00:22:40,201 --> 00:22:44,294 I am in the news industry so I tend to have to follow up 408 00:22:44,239 --> 00:22:46,767 yeah almost all the time 409 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,959 but sometimes it gets tiring too yeah so I'll take a break 410 00:22:50,909 --> 00:22:53,525 okay and then I'll come back to it 411 00:22:53,719 --> 00:22:57,863 have you ever been like depressed by following news too much 412 00:22:58,020 --> 00:22:58,892 no no 413 00:22:58,719 --> 00:23:07,648 okay so you know your line I I sound mentally strong right but actually yeah but but I think because 414 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,391 I know when to stop mhm yeah 415 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:08,105 I know when to stop like okay this is 416 00:23:07,950 --> 00:23:10,951 this is too much already yeah yeah my my mind is 417 00:23:10,949 --> 00:23:13,189 going crazy now so okay I'll stop 418 00:23:13,070 --> 00:23:17,200 how do other things and then maybe I'll come back to it but maybe it's something that 419 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,696 the public um is super interested in right now and we have kind of have to follow like um 420 00:23:22,550 --> 00:23:24,184 the thing I remember 421 00:23:24,090 --> 00:23:28,702 like to stand out the most is the m um news like 422 00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:37,037 5 years back everybody is like paying attention to what the story would end so it's kind of hard to stop yourself from following news right 423 00:23:37,668 --> 00:23:43,346 then just follow okay then just follow I asked you follow the news what should you 424 00:23:43,631 --> 00:23:44,554 tell yourself 425 00:23:44,711 --> 00:23:45,458 426 00:23:45,549 --> 00:23:48,961 how should you take care of yourself like your mental state 427 00:23:49,012 --> 00:23:54,998 I think it totally depends on the story like the mopa story we all hope that we will find them 428 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,750 alive right 429 00:23:58,679 --> 00:24:03,461 that's the word to use right we really want to find them alive without 430 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,053 any losses at all so I think it's 431 00:24:07,073 --> 00:24:08,208 it's um 432 00:24:08,871 --> 00:24:16,504 it's not it doesn't harm your mental health that much in my opinion in my but you might lose sleep a lot of people have lost sleep over that 433 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,334 yes yeah 434 00:24:17,189 --> 00:24:23,603 but I think that's okay okay we all show our Goodwill you know of giving moral support 435 00:24:22,769 --> 00:24:29,360 report to all the people who went into the cave to help you know that um they would find everyone alive 436 00:24:29,181 --> 00:24:33,579 and then everyone would be alive out of the cave as well I think 437 00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:34,274 that is 438 00:24:34,813 --> 00:24:38,796 that is fine in my opinion in my opinion okay but like 439 00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:40,593 politics right now 440 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,429 yeah 441 00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:43,842 everyone is catching up 442 00:24:43,710 --> 00:24:48,006 about it every single second as well right right um 443 00:24:48,460 --> 00:24:49,060 this 444 00:24:49,030 --> 00:24:54,464 maybe I think sometimes we might need to take a break maybe it might be too overwhelming 445 00:24:54,420 --> 00:24:56,384 maybe too much yeah 446 00:24:56,271 --> 00:24:56,515 447 00:24:56,722 --> 00:24:57,678 politics 448 00:24:57,751 --> 00:25:00,488 maybe step back a little bit 449 00:25:00,310 --> 00:25:02,522 don't get too involved 450 00:25:03,130 --> 00:25:06,468 too much into it I think it can it can somehow 451 00:25:06,140 --> 00:25:06,431 452 00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:12,136 ruin your your your mental health yeah maybe it's not that urgent for you to follow like 24/7 453 00:25:12,420 --> 00:25:13,281 yeah yeah 454 00:25:13,252 --> 00:25:14,638 learned to take a break 455 00:25:14,661 --> 00:25:20,377 exactly yeah so speaking of politics right now I think uh 1 thing that you 456 00:25:20,170 --> 00:25:21,542 the national news 457 00:25:21,390 --> 00:25:26,355 order uh would cover all the time is politics okay so um 458 00:25:26,391 --> 00:25:28,611 politics in Thailand right now what do you think 459 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:31,315 in terms of what's going on and the news 460 00:25:31,312 --> 00:25:32,308 exciting 461 00:25:32,850 --> 00:25:35,094 and we are in 462 00:25:35,032 --> 00:25:38,778 um we are in a very uncertain time I think 463 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,631 because nothing is definite 464 00:25:40,542 --> 00:25:41,850 in my opinion 465 00:25:41,892 --> 00:25:42,146 466 00:25:42,152 --> 00:25:48,996 anything can happen this is Thailand and time and again um Thailand has demonstrated 467 00:25:48,872 --> 00:25:49,360 that 468 00:25:49,580 --> 00:25:52,311 Anything Can Happen yeah 469 00:25:52,201 --> 00:25:52,899 yeah 470 00:25:52,842 --> 00:25:59,554 okay so 1 thing that I think we can learn a lot from is from uh 471 00:25:59,441 --> 00:26:01,823 because he speaks English 472 00:26:02,002 --> 00:26:05,030 for 1 thing and the other thing is that he started 473 00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:07,145 communicating with the world 474 00:26:07,132 --> 00:26:07,553 475 00:26:07,583 --> 00:26:10,684 this is something that we are not used to 476 00:26:10,651 --> 00:26:14,468 at least for the past 477 00:26:12,191 --> 00:26:14,785 10 years or so um 478 00:26:14,689 --> 00:26:16,550 I think the way 479 00:26:16,551 --> 00:26:18,873 ITA speak as 480 00:26:18,911 --> 00:26:24,740 1 of the potential leader is very um interesting and is something that we can learn from 481 00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:25,938 and also 482 00:26:25,771 --> 00:26:26,486 uh 483 00:26:26,411 --> 00:26:31,133 we we we have learned from a lot of like um world leaders out there so 484 00:26:31,148 --> 00:26:34,716 Barack Obama right and uh to Senda 485 00:26:34,672 --> 00:26:37,470 uh from um New Zealand New Zealand and 486 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,975 did you have any favorite world leaders that you like and and for what reasons 487 00:26:41,978 --> 00:26:42,312 488 00:26:42,169 --> 00:26:47,140 oh there are quite a number of them actually I would say 489 00:26:47,303 --> 00:26:50,263 Barack Obama President Barack Obama 490 00:26:50,179 --> 00:26:51,059 um 491 00:26:51,070 --> 00:26:53,493 prime minister Jacinda Arden 492 00:26:53,249 --> 00:26:56,231 the former prime minister of New Zealand 493 00:26:56,332 --> 00:27:02,628 and then of course the legendary late prime minister of Singapore Lee Kuan Yew ah yes 494 00:27:02,670 --> 00:27:06,829 all of them are excellent speakers is just that they have 495 00:27:06,711 --> 00:27:11,858 different styles different styles um for Barack Obama 496 00:27:11,769 --> 00:27:12,067 497 00:27:12,669 --> 00:27:14,378 I think he uses 498 00:27:14,780 --> 00:27:15,972 simple words 499 00:27:16,249 --> 00:27:18,781 but they were woven in such a way that 500 00:27:18,809 --> 00:27:20,385 it turned out beautiful 501 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,555 and with his delivery 502 00:27:22,910 --> 00:27:23,287 503 00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:24,790 it turned out 504 00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:28,602 something very uplifting to listen to 505 00:27:28,431 --> 00:27:34,677 if you listen to his speech Audacity Of Hope or his victory speech in 506 00:27:34,439 --> 00:27:37,450 8 and so many others um along the way 507 00:27:37,331 --> 00:27:41,800 most of the time he would touch on American values 508 00:27:41,809 --> 00:27:43,191 such as um 509 00:27:43,150 --> 00:27:47,100 how America is a land of opportunities 510 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,424 America is a land of ideals a Land of Hope and dream 511 00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:54,341 and how 512 00:27:54,691 --> 00:27:56,081 he himself 513 00:27:56,551 --> 00:27:57,672 belongs 514 00:27:57,891 --> 00:27:58,862 to 515 00:27:58,980 --> 00:28:00,348 American Dream 516 00:28:00,451 --> 00:28:02,796 because he became precedents 517 00:28:02,629 --> 00:28:07,279 right so it's his personal story and the story of 518 00:28:07,049 --> 00:28:09,666 American values that 519 00:28:09,871 --> 00:28:11,608 go together 520 00:28:11,860 --> 00:28:17,365 so he was such an eloquent speaker I mean with the same speech if you have 521 00:28:17,311 --> 00:28:18,282 other people 522 00:28:18,972 --> 00:28:20,319 delivering the speech 523 00:28:20,380 --> 00:28:22,359 the modern tone will be different yeah 524 00:28:22,303 --> 00:28:26,425 yeah so it's not just about his content he also adds 525 00:28:26,081 --> 00:28:29,262 personal story and the way he delivers it 526 00:28:29,407 --> 00:28:34,411 yeah the content is 1 thing but the personality of the person delivering it 527 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,815 is also another 528 00:28:35,687 --> 00:28:37,227 important components 529 00:28:37,229 --> 00:28:37,940 true 530 00:28:37,797 --> 00:28:43,923 and what about the Seda Arden um she is of a different style I guess she is more of a 531 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,881 sympathetic 532 00:28:44,787 --> 00:28:45,066 533 00:28:44,978 --> 00:28:51,109 empathetic emotional type of um Communicator like in her farewell address 534 00:28:51,259 --> 00:28:53,895 she was talking about how 535 00:28:54,009 --> 00:28:57,084 no matter who you are or how you are 536 00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:59,984 you can become a leader as well so she said 537 00:29:00,158 --> 00:29:01,518 you can lead 538 00:29:01,572 --> 00:29:02,360 539 00:29:02,208 --> 00:29:03,496 like me 540 00:29:03,548 --> 00:29:04,226 541 00:29:04,188 --> 00:29:06,616 and she almost cried saying it 542 00:29:06,508 --> 00:29:10,796 so she became emotional and I think it showed um how much 543 00:29:10,669 --> 00:29:10,912 544 00:29:10,858 --> 00:29:14,038 she actually believed in what she said 545 00:29:13,988 --> 00:29:16,055 very human very relatable 546 00:29:15,988 --> 00:29:20,777 yeah exactly you know it's emotional you can feel how 547 00:29:20,657 --> 00:29:20,922 548 00:29:20,980 --> 00:29:22,329 she's feeling 549 00:29:22,129 --> 00:29:27,975 mm and what about legal and you your 1 of your favorites for sure my favorites 550 00:29:27,449 --> 00:29:29,650 if you look at his um 551 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,617 speeches 552 00:29:30,588 --> 00:29:33,343 in his younger years you know for 553 00:29:33,277 --> 00:29:37,138 election rallies or interviews he was so 554 00:29:36,988 --> 00:29:38,282 feisty 555 00:29:38,147 --> 00:29:42,057 um so strong so determined 556 00:29:42,058 --> 00:29:44,695 I'll give you examples um 557 00:29:44,489 --> 00:29:46,044 in 1980 558 00:29:45,897 --> 00:29:52,022 the pilots of Singapore Airline they they had a strike and he resolved 559 00:29:51,728 --> 00:29:52,195 560 00:29:52,369 --> 00:29:56,040 so during an election rally 561 00:29:55,248 --> 00:29:56,575 he talked about it 562 00:29:56,788 --> 00:29:58,485 and then he said 563 00:29:58,968 --> 00:30:00,269 anyone who 564 00:30:00,249 --> 00:30:02,019 Wants to Rule Singapore 565 00:30:01,908 --> 00:30:04,491 must have the iron in him 566 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,015 this is not a house of cards 567 00:30:07,357 --> 00:30:08,953 this is about your life 568 00:30:08,899 --> 00:30:09,892 and mine 569 00:30:09,917 --> 00:30:10,342 570 00:30:10,367 --> 00:30:11,457 I spent 571 00:30:11,459 --> 00:30:13,962 my whole lifetime building 572 00:30:13,828 --> 00:30:15,170 meaning Singapore 573 00:30:15,239 --> 00:30:17,586 as long as I'm in charge 574 00:30:17,928 --> 00:30:18,211 575 00:30:18,118 --> 00:30:20,148 nobody is going to knock it down 576 00:30:20,498 --> 00:30:21,300 577 00:30:21,327 --> 00:30:21,573 578 00:30:21,460 --> 00:30:27,497 strong words right right clear message but I really want you to 579 00:30:27,408 --> 00:30:32,401 Google and look at his non-verbal Communications as well 580 00:30:32,348 --> 00:30:33,047 581 00:30:33,047 --> 00:30:36,537 his emotions it was so intense 582 00:30:36,508 --> 00:30:40,250 it was so strong and 583 00:30:40,157 --> 00:30:40,416 584 00:30:40,347 --> 00:30:43,131 his message was crystal clear 585 00:30:43,227 --> 00:30:47,485 she wouldn't give in an inch not even 1 single millimeter 586 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,154 mhm 587 00:30:47,976 --> 00:30:50,115 so that's the type of person 588 00:30:50,028 --> 00:30:53,274 she is yeah very Frank 589 00:30:52,706 --> 00:30:56,817 very direct but sometimes he can be funny as well 590 00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:59,061 yeah because he wants it 591 00:30:59,568 --> 00:31:01,369 even from my sick bed 592 00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:05,055 or if you are lowering me into the grave 593 00:31:05,018 --> 00:31:05,264 594 00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:09,409 and I see that something is not right I'll get up 595 00:31:09,627 --> 00:31:11,532 right yeah yeah yeah so 596 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:15,920 everything is showed how witty he is intelligent 597 00:31:15,777 --> 00:31:20,768 of course you know we all know his intelligent but he's very witty 598 00:31:20,646 --> 00:31:23,534 and sometimes his humorous as well yeah 599 00:31:23,719 --> 00:31:26,310 so looking back at Thailand right now 600 00:31:26,419 --> 00:31:28,459 we're about to have a new leader 601 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,231 what kind of leader 602 00:31:30,126 --> 00:31:30,821 with 603 00:31:31,147 --> 00:31:34,140 what kind of communication skill 604 00:31:34,107 --> 00:31:39,410 do you think the new leader has to have I think for any leader at all 605 00:31:39,286 --> 00:31:40,221 um 606 00:31:40,187 --> 00:31:41,831 there must be able to communicate 607 00:31:41,978 --> 00:31:44,953 because a lot of time people would say 608 00:31:44,868 --> 00:31:45,933 the leader 609 00:31:45,886 --> 00:31:50,566 forms his job well but he might not be communicating that well 610 00:31:50,567 --> 00:31:51,407 okay 611 00:31:51,267 --> 00:31:56,742 but I think communication is an indispensable quality of a good 612 00:31:56,517 --> 00:31:57,387 leader 613 00:31:57,348 --> 00:31:57,902 614 00:31:57,868 --> 00:32:00,157 so I think for the most 615 00:32:00,047 --> 00:32:00,339 616 00:32:00,308 --> 00:32:01,312 basic 617 00:32:01,266 --> 00:32:06,031 criteria for any leader is to tell us clearly 618 00:32:06,127 --> 00:32:07,572 what you think 619 00:32:08,058 --> 00:32:10,015 be able to express 620 00:32:10,038 --> 00:32:11,293 your ideas 621 00:32:11,770 --> 00:32:17,023 be able to articulate what you're thinking so that we understand 622 00:32:16,957 --> 00:32:19,661 whether or not we agree with your policies 623 00:32:19,706 --> 00:32:25,003 is another issue but we are here talking about Communications so I think 624 00:32:24,968 --> 00:32:25,840 clear 625 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,180 Communications 626 00:32:27,337 --> 00:32:30,353 is very crucial and I think that's 627 00:32:30,408 --> 00:32:32,111 the most um 628 00:32:32,148 --> 00:32:36,610 basic requirements that any leader um should have 629 00:32:36,366 --> 00:32:37,330 mm 630 00:32:37,266 --> 00:32:37,803 631 00:32:37,706 --> 00:32:38,793 to become 632 00:32:38,797 --> 00:32:40,111 great leaders 633 00:32:40,086 --> 00:32:41,451 great communicators 634 00:32:41,686 --> 00:32:43,945 then I think that's another level 635 00:32:44,510 --> 00:32:48,849 I think great leaders a great communicators 636 00:32:48,928 --> 00:32:52,500 would be able to calm the public down 637 00:32:52,447 --> 00:32:53,614 in times of 638 00:32:53,537 --> 00:32:54,393 crisis 639 00:32:54,307 --> 00:32:54,511 640 00:32:54,688 --> 00:32:57,169 a great leader would be able to 641 00:32:57,065 --> 00:32:58,709 unite the country 642 00:32:58,787 --> 00:32:59,014 643 00:32:59,307 --> 00:33:00,971 in times of 644 00:33:01,476 --> 00:33:02,899 tragedies 645 00:33:03,146 --> 00:33:06,268 I think great leaders would be able to 646 00:33:06,155 --> 00:33:07,537 soothe the public 647 00:33:07,826 --> 00:33:08,961 in times of 648 00:33:08,844 --> 00:33:13,879 loss and mourning and great leaders would be able to 649 00:33:13,847 --> 00:33:15,418 motivate the public 650 00:33:15,707 --> 00:33:20,137 in times of challenges so I think that's another level of 651 00:33:20,185 --> 00:33:21,587 Communications 652 00:33:21,856 --> 00:33:23,490 because if we