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online  particip ants if you  wish to  have a  question you may submit meet  your question directly  through the chat box  and  of course our  topic for the second s ession work here  is about  a transforming  telecon ference sustain ability the role of mobile  operators in driving green  technologies and the e co-friendly future  so right now  we  will explore  how the  Green Power  transforming the  time Telecom  can lead to the the  great Collective progress  and sustainable  growth  so please know that this  panel discuss ion going to be  conducted  in English  and we are  honored to have  4  distinguished panelists and  the moderated  joining  us for  this discussion  first of all  he is  the extensive exper ience in leading  digital transformation  and also  corporate strateg y within Telecommunications and  he is  the senior  vice president  digital and  solution  at the national  telecommunication happy Company Limited  or entity so  please welcome  Mr Wong to  be understood   and next 3 1 years of  the experience  at the AIS  Mr wasit is resp onsible for the  technical  strategy  Planning Development  and also  the rally or movement Network  operation of  the Nationwide  so please  welcome Mr wasid Botanas  up head  of Nationwide  operation and  support business  unit and  advancing  for Soviet public  Company Limited or AIS         and he has form ed a true  cooperation  public comment  unlimited Mr  Nyan the  strategy  of the  development  financial planning and  share infrastructure oper ations revitalizing  his management  experience  from the  virus telecommun ication group  in Europe so please  welcome Miss the  head of network  strateg y from  True cooperation public company  Unlimited   and  so right now  leading  on the discussion  today as the  moderator Miss  Titan r at she  is an  expert in telecommunication policy  formulation with  a pro ven track  record in  developing externalities Spectrum  a road map so  please welcome  Miss tan an ratan  execut ive director  of the policy assess ment Bureau  office of  the nbtc and  please give a  big  round of applause to  the pan elists and  our moderator    and  good afternoon  once again and  welcome  to the NB C Symposium 2025 and  this is  the very first  panel  session that  we will talk  about trans forming Telecom  for sustainability and  as you know that uh   mobile  operator in our  system  uh is the  play measure  law in uh be Behind The Innovation and  news idea the  law is is  105  y  connecting cost and data and today and clean  connectivity start here and  for the first  law I  I would  like to uh invite  to  share about  nvd uh NT  uh strategic  uh sustain ability strategy oh  please have a  good day policy   thank you  uh good  afternoon everyone uh first  of all  uh for  those of you  who  might not be  familiar with  national Telecom or in uh we are uh  stay at Enterprise  that is a  merger between  taught and C at that 2 State Enterprise provid ing telecommun ication service for  for quite  a long time  we  have uh  providing  variance  of Digital Services  and telecommunication services we  have this line we  have mobile services  we have  Broadband services satellite connect ivity Services both  domestic and  international  we  also have uh telecommunications infrastructure services like telecommunication Towers uh  subduct  and fiber optic  and  we also provide  digital service  like cloud data  center cyber  security application services that  is the what  we do   for green  and sustain ability so   has  the same plan  uh ask ing Thailand  Thailand  I think the  Thailand  has  planned to achieve  net carbon  neutrality by  the year 20150  and greenhouse gas  emission by year 2065 so  NT try  to achieve  the same goal as the as the country   so  to achieve the  goal we have car ry out numerous  projects  uh to drive  toward that  goals the  first 1 is  the to  use the  the clean energy and  we select for  the first  uh for  the first project we  use solar energy  we  have already installed uh 93 uh  we have  already installed  solar pan els in  93 location s of  our office  Nationwide the  combined capacity  is around 1 .8 megawatt  so to  use the  the solar  energy not just  to give  us the green energy but also help  us save the  cost of  electricity as well so  that is the first 1 uh  another initi ative is for is  to do the network  consolidation  since  we are the  merger of State Enterprise  doing the  same business  the telecommun ication business so  we have some redundancy uh  we have some  Office Buildings uh  Network equipment s and Facilities so as  those facilities  and equipment s can be  consolidated    so  we need fewers equipment add we  do this along with the how can I say  re organization of the of  of of our  organization struct  of the organization as  well as  to streamline  the process so we can um  safe cost and safe operation cost safe  uh maintenance  cost as well as save the uh utility cost  so that  is the part  that uh  that we do for  the  network consolidation and  some services  like fix life services that  use cop per wire as media are getting less popular so  we change  the technology to  be the IP  based   uh and  bundle it  with Broadband services so  by doing that  we can turn  off some  switching the traditional switch and  as we will ask  the cooling  facility  that support that switch so  turning off uh  those facilities  we can  save cost  of the electricity as well  so  that is the for  the network  consolidation part and  we  also share some  equipment  with our  even our partners we  share I think  uh you  know that we share 5 G base station  within  un so this helped us uh  save the electric ity course for  both of us so  there are some  other  initiatives  that we do for the green transition  for  the lighting machine s our light I think we  change more than  50,000 light  to  be the LED which  can help  save around 60 % of electricity  bill for for  the light part   we  also upgrade our  cooling system  because you  know that  for the  Telecommunications  service we  use a lot of  equipment s and  these equipment s need to  be to  be operated  in a certain  temperature and  and so we  we  spend a lot of energy  to do the  cooling  part  some of the system  are  quite old and the  power is not  efficient so  we changed the the  technology of some  cooling facilities  to be the newer 1 and  can save my some some can  save some cost  of  the electricity  we  also install  Smart Meter with  the iot  technology  uh  to keep track  and control some  of the equipment s that use a  lot of energy  in  real time  and we develop  our own Energy Management platform  to keep track  of the overall use of  the electricity of ant  and  we uh  Annette the  last 1 is  the  cloud technology we  adopt Cloud First Technology  like like  the policy of  the country  by  using Cloud technology we can share Computing resource like  server  storage data center across  many uh  application services  and Department  uh  sharing uh  the infrastruct ures this mean  that we need  uh  layers infrastructures uh  to to provide  a services and  this Consolidated facilities  uh red uced uh power efficient  technology so it  can reduce cost so uh there's estim ate by a  center that  by adopting  Cloud technology you can reduce  carbon  footprint by  maybe up to  80%  so this what we do  so  for all the  initiatives that  we use to reduce  the electricity cost we  can achieve around  11%  reduction of  electricity cost from year  2023 2  year 2024 this  21st century reduction is  around 200 million bath which  is quite a lot so in  order for us  to drive  to a degree  economy   it's  not just to  be green  it can  help us  reduce the cost as well so   uh  yeah uh the  initi atives to reduce  the electricity cost uh  at the initiatives as well we  develop our  own greenhouse gas  tracking system  which  uh and  we use them uh this  system can keep  track of scope  by the scope 2  and scope 3 greenhouse gas  not just  the carbon dioxide but  at the greenhouse  as well  so  we use the  system to  keep track of the  greenhouse gas emission of  NT last 4S and  we now apply ing for the uh is uh  14 or 6 4 part 1  uh  to be certified which  I think we can  get  certified by  the end of the year so  this ISO  14064  part 1 is the I saw for the uh  quantifying  of greenhouse gas uh emission and Report  so  for this year and  next year we  are planning  we plan to expand  this curve of system  to cover  the scope good  in South gas emission and we we will expand the  report to incl ude our  office Nationwide  uh  and the last in itiative that  we do is to do elect ronic waste uh collection   so  we put the  that that bin  the  electronic  waste bin to  our office over the country and  we run the campaign  to uh  to build  awareness of  responsible disposal of  uh electronic  waste  to our  employee and  our customers and  we contact uh we contact cert ified collector  to collect  these waste  to do the  disposal and recycle so  that is  roughly what we  have done so  far for entity uh  achieve the goal be car bon neutrality  by the year  2050 thanks yeah  thank you very much  uh  for painting  such a clear  picture of  uh anti policy land scape and  uses on trans ition is a  good uh  start for our  discussion and  then I would  like to  move to was  it okay  um about  as sustainability strategy dat a capacity  especially  like to  me like 5G uh  expansion of  cloud and also  uh industry specific solution is  demand for  uh  Network to to  increase More Energy Efficiency so  please check about ASP Innovation policy  and how  as legalizing your equities to  create a tangible social  and economic benefit  sorry uh good  afternoon first  of all I want  to  emphasize what we  disc uss about  sustainability and  such as sustainables  the sustainable is  put  it inside  our vision state ment as I try  to show you  that  in  our regions that  we  talking about sustainable High Digital Society  this is the first  1  they want to show  the second 1 is we  are working together  with  e cosystems and  partners  so there  are 3 words  in in our vision statement  that have to be  emphasized the  second thing is  even  in our mission statement  we talking about trust connect ivity because we  want to be  the  uh dig ital infrastruct ure throughout Thailand so  uh in  the aspect  of sustainability  it's not justly uh in Thailand  in worldwide  everyone talking about  sustainables  espec ially in Tech communication uh Telecom  industry is  focus ing in  this 1 and react to  be like uh control  the carbon emissions  uh the  report from GS M is since uh  June this year  is talking about  that  in Telecom  industry a record from 2018  to 2023 the  carbon emission is reduced about 8% even the  data consumption is higher and  the usage  of digital  infrastructure is  higher that's mean everyone  is trying to  find a way to  reduce the  carbon emissions and  more than that  in  our sector is  very important we enable  enablement FX  that mean what  errors we  do in the  communic ation especially in our uh  segment we  are the 1  who trying  to  provide the connectivity  we are the  1 who provide infr astructure through  the other industry that's  been what it will be uh provide the service to  the other  industry  it can reflect the  reduction of the  emission  also so  our activ ity is impact  it's not just  only in our sectors imp act the other sector as  well so this is very  important part  that why we  are working  here  and it's  not just only  reducing  our parts but what ever the  service that we  are providing  like  uh telecommunications uh bought bad mobile can  reduce the  numbers of  transportation and travel now  everyone after coid until  now even  still using Zoom uh  beings using try  to reduce  the number of trans try to reduce the number of Transportation  that's the impact that's  why that's the  1 that  I try to  emphasize uh  in the moment  effects and if  even we are not uh  reducing the  uh cons umption in  our part but  the  other sector is going to  be reduced the  second 1 is  going to be we have to  promote  the digital inclusions uh to the  others and  the last  1 is going to be  app on  climate this is a  area we  are focusing and  talking a lot  in sustainable s if you're  talking about the first ones we  are focusing  in providing the product s and service throughout  the  other sectors so uh we  are providing  both as uh  the convention  is going to be  like  uh Broadband mobile   uh  the other internet  Parts including in uh  entertainment through out our  service at infr astructure and  more than that uh  we are focusing in the  other sector especially in uh industrial sectors  uh  Healthcare sector  that the se 2 part  is going to  be very big  sector if you  uh seeing of  the  GDP growth uh  that which  sector going to drive the  GDP  code  these 2 sector is the big parts  that connect ed to be drive and we  are trying to  provide  the digital  infrastructure  throughout these  2 sectors  and we hope that  going to deliver and make our nation  can be more  stringent the  second thing is we  are talking about   cyber security and  cyber Wellness  uh we  do a lot because 1  that I mentioned  that even in our mission  statement  we talking about trusted connectivity  we  are the 1 who  do   this is  the stat istic  from this year  and we  have  block more than  1.5 million  mobile numbers we book more 5 6 million message  that's  been recognized  as spams  and we are do like block  the spam URL  more  than that we  are working Pro effectively uh with uh  uh  loyal enforcement  parts to  do like uh even  they are using  their own equipment not  through our  network but  to be uh equipment to  about cast  to our customer we  are the 1 who  working  closely with the  law enforcement  team to go  and cash them  even uh  carrying the  equipment s in the  motorcycles  or in the car s  for  the digital in clusions we  are working in 2  parts the first  1 uh  Pat mentioned about social  inclusions  that this is the very  important to be  sustainable it's not  justly providing service to  some sector  but for  the inclusion  part we  are working  closely with the  uh rural  area Village  uh we building  the infrastructure at that  area as mention ed  uh due to infr astructure go to the area  change  uh their life  uh  this is examp le was in  in the screen  that uh  we are working  with uh uh the village that higher than uh 500 m  uh  actually they  are very uh remote  earlier that  is going to be  tough  for them to  trans port from the village through the cities but  now we are working  with them  to uh  providing the  electricity providing  the communication  the funniest thing is now  they're changing  the the uh that Behavior  now the chief  of the village  to be  turned to  be the uh influ encers and turn  to be the  big  doctor to  sales the coffees coffee beans  now  we are working with  them  that since  this this is  the rainy season s and there reversing  the challenge that  they cannot  transport a logistic the coffee to  the cities  and to  deliver us to  that  customer we have  to  because it's going to be uh  all the road is  blocked so  now  we are develop ing the Drone  for them uh  to carry  all the equipment s  all all the uh  Coffee Bean to to to  the customer  so this is  the 1 that exact ly that we can  change the  life from they  try infrastruct ure and  it's going to be impact  not just  only uh  the daily life but  for health  care in that  Village  or even in  education part in  that Village it's going to  be totally  changed even exact ly the same teacher exact ly the team s the same  stuff but whenever uh dig ital infra structure re ach the village  it's going to be  totally change uh  we provide the  liabilities digital libraries and what man  internet  throughout the school  in  Nationwide   more  than that we  are working closely uh  with the social  Parts uh  we do  measure type  cyber Wellness index  does  he mean by we  are  make sure that uh  the wellness uh  cyber s that they are knowing of know beforehand that's what  is the  dangerous of  the cyber security  so  we measures and Reporting in  trends that  what happened in   in uh uh countries and  this year we  we also  providing the  reports already  uh  the Cyber awareness  we are working  together with uh  all the partner  as I  mentioned  that to work we  cannot work with the loans we  are working through out the  partner  partner  to provide all  of this 1  even most ly it's going to  be in the  education part  to  uh certify all  the uh  curriculum s and certify all the  all the uh uh Bachelor  that we are  providing to  the societies and till  now we providing  the online cost for  the cyber security  through uh  the people  in the nation  is going to  be more than uh  200k uh people 's enrolling in in  our online  class and  we do like  a p test and  post test  for the objects  uh  we providing  regularly uh check uh  that's uh we  have like all  the information  about the  harm of the  cybers  7  climate this is  the  1 that everyone talking  about that uh the  green energy is  in the  green parts  we  are providing  the solar cells in  our best station s it's  more than 50 15K   best  stations that mean uh but then half our  station is  equipped with  solar  cells and  we make sure that how  much did we can reduce the  carbon emissions uh be  talking about equip ment modernization s is going to be end to  end parts even we  are starting from  uh the equip ment evaluations  that's  all the equip ment have to be  energy efficiencies because  the new equip ment the  new 1 is olation is going to be higher  Energy Efficiency so  modernization  simplify or  equipment is  going to be as  Dr khanh mentioned  in nte is  it going to be the same  activity  that it's going to be more  uh more and  more to do and moving  to the cloud  is another 1  the  cloud detection is  not just  only removing everything to  crowd  making  every single uh server uh  Computing things in  our premise to  be in Cloud architect ure it's going to be sharing  because  of the  crowd uh uh  architect ure is going to be  mean  it's going to be chair more  Network function s inside so  it's going to be  more share  and as  mentioned it  can be reduced  the Energy Efficiency  aha uh consumptions  last  couple year we  talking about the  uh way to  save the  energy by um 1 what they call zero  Bit Zero ones what  does it mean by  what  is if you don't use the  power is not consumed  0  Watts but  till now this  couple year we  talking about morbid but less what  because  even keep  using is  that they are not  stopped to  be zero yet so  cons ume more and more  when you 're talking about even  they consume more but we going to useless   uh  the way we  we do  on this 1 is not  just only  the 3 part  that you  mentioned but we  are using  AI to  put it in  in the equipment  and  put it in  in our Networks to be energy  serving and  in G efficiency what  does it mean by  mean  by ones  the  customer consumer uh  want to use  less data we uh  provide less resource when ever you want  more than more  resource we're  going to provide more it's  going to be  up on demand  resour ce providing that  mean it's going to be  reduced  the carbon  emission also so this is most of the part but  anyway the last  1 is going  to be the same  as NT you're  working together with  all  the partner  to be The Hub  of us uh we  are the 1  who uh providing  the network  but our  customer is  the 1  using a lot of elect ronic equipment we  have to be  responsible  for uh man age all the way from  our consum ers so we  are working  together with  our partner and  we are providing  the help  of us and to  uh collect  all the EVS and  till now  we can  collect 1 part 2 million   piece  of the es uh  from all the all other HS that we are providing  to collect  all the emails  so all  3 parts that  we are mentioned  providing  the data  infrastructure  the  first 1 that  and also  this is  our  commitment to to  nbtc  commitment to the  consumer  commitment  to the country  that we are  providing the strengthen dies el infrastructure to them and  we are the 1 who providing uh    in clusive to the  rural  part and also to and  to manage the  events thank you  very much for  detailing  uh is comp elling approach  and we  can see how  a s renovation  policy contribute  to the  carbon neutrality and  now I would like  to turn to  uh our next  panelist  Mr any um  actually  this year is turning point of  true  to move to ward to be come um the  platform of  opportunity  that everyone can  equally access and beauty of  the future  in rufa  structure what  are the key highlight  of  sustainability  initiative  and Innovation and  how can  AI to my network contrib ute to uh uh our digital economy thank you  thank you thank you  for for having  me here I  I'll start with  uh  a very very  fundamental  question uh when  we look at  sustainability we ask ourselves so  what is sustainability actually so  if you look at  the  the definition  of sustain ability it comes from  a Latin word called  uh sustainer and  and that means  to uh to  support it  just means to support to  support something to  endure something over  a longer period of time  is  is very simple  in meaning  but it has  uh  it has  quite quite  significant  and  that is  the spirit we  employ when  we look at  sustainability strategy uh  for True Corporation   ask ed the basic questions hey what is it that  is most important  for our stakeholders so  we we categ orize all  our stake holders across 6 groups um we  have uh  our customers  the most important stakeholder  we  have our  partners who  we work with  our  employees uh  who work with us uh  the government 's uh and uh the  shareholders as well  as the society so  do each of  these  shareholders uh we  have a system atic approach to ask what  is important  for you to  succeed in  your sustainability  ambitions how  can we support  you best and  when we ask  this diver se group of  stakeholders we get as  you can imagine  very different answers a  customer expectation  to sustain ability is  very different from a part ner uh expect ation on sustainability versus  a government role  and expectation  on sustainability and our  role as true Corporation  is to  make sure that we  try to balance  all  of those  points of views  and develop priorities along  the  most important  aspects that  help address the  most of it if  not all of it  so  if we look at  the very  very high  priority issues for for us based  on this  very very gran ular assessment of  stakeholder  preferences it  boils down to  the  3 letters that  I think  all of  us know ESG  the  way we look  at  ESG is a little  bit different  from the  from the  traditional sense in  our definition we  we  call things like  living right living well  and  living together it  is essentially ESG  living  right is the the governance parts of  of ESG living well is societ al part of ESG  and  living together is  the Environmental  part of of  ESG and  we cluster all  our strateg ic init iatives along those    3  priorities and  we have a very  detailed way  of monitor ing that how  we are  approaching that  what in itiatives we are we are deploying  and  we are actually  very serious uh  not just about  putting those  strategies  but measuring  ourselves against  each of those and  here we present  a very uh uh  a very um I would say fundamental kpis  on on on  the  on the page that  we see so  if we look at  the  the environmental part  which is uh I  think very interest ing and probably  the the  most important  topic for  today's panel  uh  our ambition is  very clear we  would like to  reduce  our emissions all  3 of them  scope 1 scope  2 and scope 3 to  reach the zero  ambition by  2050 in line  with the  country's Target and we  are very serious  about  making  sure that we play  our part as  as you can imagine  scope  3 is something  that is typically beyond the  operator 's operations so  that is  much more complex in volves a lot of  stakeholders  but  we are working very  closely with our  partners to  make sure  that  their contributions  are also  reflected in  the product s and services that  we buy which then in turn make  uh the entire  equation  uh much more positive    our  Target is to  reduce  emissions by  42% uh  by 2030 we  are on a good  path we  are on a  good trajectory  we  are already 21% uh on  on it's sort of  halfway through because  we meas ure our  baseline from 2020 so  it's kind of 5  years down  the line and  we if  you have achieved  half of it  but  I must tell  you that is  the toughest part  that  is the toughest  part and  you know parts of it  alluded to  we  can't do it alone and  I think that is  that is  the most important  as pect that I'd  I'd like to  bring  to the panel today uh  on on the  uh environmental as pect on  the social  aspect uh I think  being part of  CP Group which  is a  conglomerate  in in  Thailand and also with telenor  backing us from from the  Scandinavian region um it  is very important  for us  that we  contribute meaning fully towards the societal   require ments and oblig ations that we  have  as part of that  we  reduce uh  we develop  our networks to  reduce digital divide uh  or 5G Network is  now close to  95% of  population coverage is almost  meeting the target  we had set for th for 2030 we  also intend  to  develop communities along  with us  today more than  22 million student s and us ers use  our true  look PA platform it's a educ ational platform that  supports the  education of children and  and users  to develop uh  skill s and  knowledge beyond what  is taught  at schools so  22 million  is a  substantial number  as as  you can imagine uh  we we are supporting  that  our object ive is to um make sure  that we keep  on en hancing that those  efforts  we support schools  through the  connected uh  initiative uh more  than a thousand schools  are  are supported in  terms of  ICT  digital infrastruct ure and connectivity uh  to make sure that  they  have uh what  it needs  to succeed in  the in the  current age so  so we want to  uh we  want to grow we  want to  develop  ourselves but we  want to  ensure that  our societ also  benefit from that uh  progress on the living  right part uh as  operators we have  a huge  responsibility we handle petabytes of data uh  that the customers Place their trust on we  we manage that  and it's  our responsibility to  manage that  very very carefully and make sure  that we can we  can hold that trust  um today  more than 50 million customers used  uh true  cyber automatic ally protected  using our cyber security plat forms and in itiatives we neut ralize more than  8  million cyber security  threats on a  daily basis uh so  so I think that is  that is  quite a  substantial  contrib ution in terms of  risk  mitigation I  I would like to  touch  upon the U the  the environmental part  as you can see  on the  sng Parts uh  we are trend ing pretty well  we are  closer to the  ambition  that we have  set but  as I said  the environmental part  is the  toughest 1  and that is the  hardest  not to crack but uh we  have taken this  with uh with  the full spirit and  I'd like to  give  you a glimpse  on on  what we are doing  actually on that part so  to be able to  understand  that um basically  we need to understand  what where  do the emissions  actually come from  the  emissions that  we  our networks uh have  is basically  mostly scope 2 scope  1 is rather  limited because  we've  eliminated uh  the use of  fuel or or generators in in most most  of our  uh operations  so that is  that is fairly  limited and  and in reducing as we speak scope  2 is basically  the  energy that we  buy from the  utilities and  consume for our  operations at  close  to 50 ,000 locations around  the country we  have locations  and Towers on  Islands on mountains um very  difficult Terrain uh  where it is  it is  very  hard sometimes to  to reach but  we make sure  that uh the  emissions  out of those  uh  sites remain  as minimal as possible so  if you look at the  the  bottom chart we  are on a good  trajectory in  terms of emission reduction so  the 21%  that I was  showing you  on the  chart above is  is reflecting that uh but  but that is not  sufficient  we need to we  need to go much  more  Beyond if  you want to meet  the  42% Target  so  what options do  we have uh  how can we imp rove and reach  those targets  we  look at it very  deeply  and we  we try  to understand uh the  equation of  demand and supply  how  much are where are  we consuming  what  are we consuming uh who  are we consuming  for who  are resourcing the energy from  we  we put that we  have a very  granular  way of of  working that out and  this is to  just give you an  example   so  this is a  cell site  in uh  I think  it's around  1 and a half hours away  from here  this  cell site was  uh  a bit rather I would say Infamous 1  uh when it  came to em issions because uh it  is a a  fully loaded  site  uh we have  uh uh  Broadband node  here we have  mobile  uh equipment here we have heav y duty air  conditioning  cooling the  equipment uh it  it was not a  very  uh good example  of energy  efficiency if  I can put it  very honestly  so  what we did  is we  went in  there and we  we put in all  innovative solutions that we  are working on just  on this side  and  just to see  what impact  that can generate so we changed the shelters    used  very Innovative uh  quoting  hi hi hi used very Innovative uh quoting high high high high impact  material quoting to to  paint that  location uh  we put in  very strong  insulation so  that the temperature  can be maintained  um you  reduce the temperature  we change the  air conditioning  from you know  it was  pretty old to to  a very new 1  inverter grade  AC  uh we put  in smart  controllers uh we  did some architect ural modifications um  and we run our home grown AI model  now  what that  model does is   effect ively when you're  not using  the cell site  it  turns off  certain frequ encies certain equipment so basically has  conversed was  alluding to uh 0 bit uh zero  usage right  if I if  I capture  that right  uh hard  to get there  because even  if I turn  off the  lair or  the frequency  layer there  is still a small  amount of  power  that is consumed by buy the equipment  is this like  your television  when  you put your tele mode  it's  not fully off still  consuming some  energy  it's still generating some  emissions the  question is is  there a  way to reduce  that  in emiss ions to almost  zero so  that is the  challenge that  uh that  we took upon ourselves  so  the AI  helps address that by uh and we're   so  this was  nakken baton but in  addition to that so this was not but in addition to that uh we are  working all  across our Network we  are modernizing  our Network   phas ing out Legacy put ting in Investments uh  to bring in new  Spectrum  new equipment which  are more eco-friendly uh  We've cons frequency not  with the intent  of reducing  costs  but with  the intent  of reducing emissions what  we see is  it's also  bearing fruit sustain ability is is  not just  an investment exercise sustain ability can actually  be a profitable business and  then we see we  see that in practice so  combined uh  if if we  take in all the efforts  I think  we are on a  good path to  uh  to fulfill  our am bition towards  42% but  that is not  going to happen if just  true keeps  on working  stand alone we  need all of  us   and  and by that  I mean  all  the stakeholders  in this business  we need the  vendors  to work on  innovations that  help us to reduce That Base power from  30 40%  to almost close  to zero close  to what convers was alluding to if  not zero  usage maybe a fraction  but  not what it is today we  need the government  and the regulations to open  up the energy grid making  sure that operators like nais  and true have access  to green power much  more flexibly much easier  as  least  bureaucracy as possible  uh  if you look at  U  other countries  there are Concepts  like energy Wheeling where  uh operators  can buy green  power directly from power  a green power  producers  through ppas  Power purchase agreements  uh  that is slowly uh coming up in  Thailand I'm  I'm very optimistic  to the  to the pil ot that is currently  running  so  we are we are  very curious to see  and  more importantly um this  is a  a slightly  contentious topic  but  I think if we  really have  to get to the Net Zero  Target on a  country basis as  3 operators we  need to  sit together and think  about how can  we work together in terms of sharing  infrastructure um there  are statistics  from Europe  almost  a third of Mobile Traffic in Europe is generated by active sharing sites a third close  to 30%  if  I reflect  that statistic  what  we have here I  think there is  a lot of room  to cover so  I think it is it  is us uh oper ators to come together  and  evaluate uh do  we really need to deploy  our individual  spare capacity stand alone  un used underused  capacity  that generates emissions  probably not do  we can we  think about better  recycling better  waste  management and I think  uh I learned  something from  from NT today  on  on on on  what you  are doing so  how  can we join  forces  as as oper ators to to  tackle  Waste Management  electronic  waste management management in the country and  and how can we  uh  improve and uh  together  work  towards a  sustainable future  so  my message  today is uh  very  clear we  are not in the  business  of just building Networks we  are helping  build a sustainable future  and and be  you'd like to do  that together  with all of you  thank you  yeah  thank you very much  for  telling insight about  uh through sustained I think  you touch  a little bit in  our next top ic about the  challenge uh uh  an issue  that we have  so far so what  is the challenge how  you overcome those  challenging maybe share  a little bit about    shukra I  think the challenges are mult ifaceted  so if I look  at  from  an operational  point of view  you know  all of us  want  to deploy solar  but  solar approach es its limits uh  not  every site can  have solar  um you  have rest rictions you know  landlords  are not permitting  solar you  have restrictions  on the uh  on  the load that  the sides can  carry there are  investments that  are needed  um so  it can go  until  the particular  limits and you know  you cannot  scale it  to to 100% of of  the sites for example  so  so we need to  work out together  with you know  with the with  the operators  how can we  leverage each  other's friends  in  terms of  uh infrastruct ure sharing I think we  need to have a  a  common framework  or a common  way of work in  terms of how  we  actively make use of um  active infrastruct ure passive  infrastructure um  how do we  encourage infrastruct ure sharing in the  country uh  at a very professional  level  so you  know it should  not be uh limited to to  a particular  party or a  person's uh discretion  it should be  a  standard transparent way of work so  how how can we  work together  to to  to form something like that  to  be able to do that  so I think you know  a couple of  points  on those  aspects     I  think there must be  a lot of  in sight shelling because  you have  done  our guests job  and you must learn a lot  of failure  and success PC at the same  topic about  uh what  is the  challenge and how  you welcome them    uh  we 've been talking about  a challenge that  we are facing from  the previous  presentation  presentation you  in fact that  we facing a lot of challenge GE and  if we want to  emphasize  that what is the  first 1 is going to be like  because we really  high consumption hi gh energy consumption  sector even  we talking about  total uh  Ed consumption in  in global  telecommun ication is just 1% energy consumption  throughout them  but most  of the telecommunication   that  who consum ed more is  mobile operators uh mobile  operator is  the 1  who consume most of the uh  Ed consumption  in telecommun ication because we deploy a  lot of sight as  we uh all  of the radio  units all the  equipments Nationwide  but  anyway the new  coming up is going to  be AI data center is going to be talking about cons ume more power so  it's going to be like uh  we we today  we talking of green s to reduce but  the trends  of the technology  is consum e more and more uh  a before  that we talking  about  the data center  that's consumed about to kilowatts the racks but now people talking about  20 kilowatts now  200 kilowatt  but certain something  they're talking about that they it's going to be to  make 1  you can zoom uh  total sub station already so  it's going to be  huge am ount of cons umption but  anyway if go  back and talking about the modernization   outside we are uh  still operating in 2 G 3G 4 G and 5G  so  I want know that's  the newer technology is going to be  higher power  issue efficiency so  that's mean by uh the  to uh  over come with this  1 we have  to  reconsider to  shut down  some of the  old Generations of equip ment or technology so  that mean  2 G and 3 D we have to  reconsider we  have to  accelerate the  part that we can shut down this kind  of systems talking  about 5 G that is going to be hi gh efficiency and uh it's going  to be like efficiency dat a rate is  going to be better  than  2 gen 3G  the  other 1 is  we're talking about  the investment  cost in green  that mean even  uh we try to  invest  in green deploy ing a lot of  solar cells as  us mentioned  that can be  we put  it a lot but anyway it's going to be really costly  and  we still have some  limitation in  case of we can not Implement our self but we  cannot  purchase from the others  that's  me in in  the transmission parts  that we have to  use uh  pop like  so that's  the 1 that  we can can be  better on this  part and  probably we can  working with  nbtc  to overcome that how we  can solve this  kind of  problem  even seeing  that and  and focusing  that we  can be more green  and using  more renewable  energies we 're trying to use  more renewable energies to renew able energy is uh  everyone say that  it's going to be  uh lower cost for  for you but it's  not lower that  thoughts it's  it's require d some investment how  to be  returned on in vestment in  in in  this kind of  green technologies  so so so to overcome  this past we have  to work together  so  with with nbtc  we have to work  together am ong our industry  to to  work on  this part  and the last  1 that I  pick up is  going to be the  1 that I  talking about inclusions   working  a lot in  uh providing  the data  infrastruct ure to the  rural area to  the remote area  to extend  the network through that part  but  it's virtual it's going to be special High investment  as  I should say  that it's  going to be like  a  2 call on  that part  the turbine is not it's  very far it's not uh easy to get access but  once we want  to provide  this kind of  infr astructure is going to  be  huge Investments somet ime they call that  it's not uh  feasible yet  to  be like  ESG to be  uh like  the  1 that we try to  connect  to the unconnect so  we  all come that  part and talking  about  is going to be  some kind of the  uh CS Pockets that  we have to  invest but we  have another so working  together with  NBC  with some us er fun d with some project  can  be some part that  we can  expand more  and doing more everybody realize dat a infrastructure  can  change the life we  don't need to to  give away them  with  uh some mobile some uh equipment but just  provide them  the digital  infrastruct ure we can  provide them the  electricity we  don't need to give  them the tele vision we don't  need to give them  the uh refrigerator  but we just  provide them the  electricity is  going to be  same that  thing  is we just  provide them the  internet everything they can  uh  do by themselves  so uh  we  can work together with  nvtc  to overcome  on this  part and I uh this  could be a lot  of projects  thank you  very much  and then I  would like to  move to  cun  uh  what else  uh because you  confirm the  state when company so  maybe please share about um you  advise uh  your session uh  how to promote I  mean uh the  ecosystem inference  um  I  think I think  both speakers  already cover  all the  challenge and  I think the way forward I  totally agree that  so  the challenge  I think the challenge  of  our business the the  telecommunication  Business and Technology business  at the moment we  consume a lot of  energy  we  use a lot of  energy  to provide  the services for  the equipments and for  the servers  and  we use a lot  of energy  from the grid at  the moment  they yeah  majority is from the grid  and  the quid is yeah  like  you said that  you'd like to know most ly is power ed by the  fossil fuel  this is not green   so and  we have to  provide  the service 24 by 7 you need  to be reliable  right the the services so  for us to  to move to  renewable energy sometime renew able energy is not it's  not available  or it's not  reliable so  that is the  challenge to to  to have a  reliable  green  energy that's  1 of the challenge that that  we have to find  a way to to  tackle  and   uh and  not just  the the power  that  they be used  24 /7 we need the liable as well the  liability the  service level  agreement that  we need   yeah  99.9 9 99.999 the  reliability  is come as  a cost  and  you need when you want  reliability  is do mean that  you need  redundancy even  redundancy  in the equip ment  redundancy in  the power and  this redundant system  somet imes it's not green right when you have  back  up power most  of us back  up with  what with  the power generator  do you sell  power generator  is there is not green  so  there  is a challenge  that  that that  we we need  to to  think about  the  other challenge is uh  for for  the technology  you know  the technology  business  change very fast the  technology keeps changing when  you change the  the technology  we  usually change  the equipment  right  you have your  iPhone 15  16 17  some of you  change phone every every year  right the  nickel equip ments the server s are are the same  somet ime we change  the technology very fast to  respond to the  competition and  to the consumer consumer needs so  when you change  equipment you  create it you create West and  carbon footprint  so   somet ime we have to  balance  between the  pace of the how  we change uh  uh the the  equipment  and and and this thing  uh  there is another challenge  uh maybe a h the  another 1 is uh  but  all of these  challenge   oh  another challenge  that the  like the investment  like  uh uh like  he's saying  the in vestment to to  be green  need investment if  you want to  upgrade  your  equipment of  facilities to  be more  power efficient  it  need investment  if you want  to upgrade  your cooling facilities you need investment  so  these kind of  things we have  to  take into account  but  of all these challenge there's  a way forward  as well  the  technology can help  you to  do a  lot of things  especially  for the AI the  the new technology  that is  more power  efficient we can  use  AI to  help us optimize  the operation  we  can use  more power efficient  uh server  storage we can use a  more power  efficient Cooling technology like  liquid cooling  immersive Cooling this  is quite important because uh  for the AI   it  use a lot  of energy  in  the past we  may have a  data  center of  5 megaw att 10  megawatt  but  now at the moment  this year we have heard about  dat a center of 50 megawatt 100 megawatt  and because  the server we  use a lot of  servers we  use of  a lot of  computing facilities especially for AI and  these Computing facilities  use a lot  of power and  it also  generate a lot of  heat in  order to  do the cooling for  this kind of  servers  if  you don't do it  properly  if you  use a lot of energy and  create a lot of car bon footprint  so  you you need good  technology to to to  reduce the car bon footprint  both for  the equipment  itself and  for the cooling and uh  this can be  solved by technology the other Way Forward  is to do  more  consolidation  like like to  speakers have to  do the consolid ation to  chair  the use of  the resource together all  the lead source  that can be shared  maybe the  base station  the equipment the tower  anything or  use the cloud  technology  by  using cartoon y okay for  the slide by  using the uh popular and Cloud technology  and implemented properly we  can reduce  uh the the am ount of carbon footprint okay and let's  say if you  use a good  technology you can  maybe save 10  to 20% uh  by using the the right cooling technology if  you do  see the right  Hardware  you may  save 10 to 15% and  if you  consolidate  the demand  together  to use to  use the virt ualization technology are  you consolidated on  the same equipment  you can  save me to  35  to 40% and  if you do  a good  software engineering you  can save more you  can do a  good soft ware architect  you can save more so  there are a lot  of way you that  you can do  in order to reduce  the use of  energy and  carbon footprint so  these  are all technology  which  is done if  done proper ly you  it can help uh  carbon emission  another  way forward is that  direct PP A if  we can buy directly  the green energy  that  that will help a lot if  we can uh  yeah I  think that's pretty much it   if  I may if  I may  quickly touch  upon what  you just said  I think in in  this entire  ecos ystem there  is 1 thing that  play s a very very  important role  and that is I  think it's not just  for this  ecos ystem but for  anything in in life it's incentive   there  has to be an  incentive  now  if you ask  our stakeholders everybody  has different incentives the  shareholder wants return  on investment the  consumer wants cheaper prices the  regulator wants hi gher coverage obligations  the  um Bank s want higher  uh interest rates right and as  businesses because  we we have  to operate  and we  have to  generate a sens ible margin uh  it  has to be uh  I  would say  a sense of pragmatism right  and while there are things  like carbon  tax which are  being debated  and being  introduced   in  my personal view I  think that is  probably it  has a negative  connot ation attacks attacks  positive word   what  if we change the  carbon  tax  to something like  incentives you know if  we started  measuring emissions of  each of us and  providing uh points you know  uh some positive  points uh maybe that  is something  the nbtc  could think about  uh  and maybe uh discuss with with  the operators  thank you  very much for  your suggest ion I think  this panel  highlight  a 3 critical Factor first  is about  uh Energy Efficiency a second  is a finance liability and  a third is about  uh social responsibility  and a  part to  sustainable Telecom  future demand medical shift uh print  technology invest Green Technology investment energy reform  and also  digital inclusion  must be uh stud y UniFi to when  it calls  and dry  efficiency and  this is like  uh the the the   how  how to say uh demand ed for  industry leadership so  for our panelists uh  if you have  to  give 1 last  sentence about the key success  factor uh  please keep  1 last sentence  maybe we start  we could  definitely and then    I  think I mentioned  this um    uh    it's  going to be a longer  part for  me so  for for sustainable able  in in in  as we talking this year be emphasizing that's  we are having  the new  technique  comes we  call AI right uh be promoting the word AI  for sustainable Nations this  is the 1 that we  are putting in  and  we are trying  to put  AI  in every  single angles  that's  me and you're putting  AI in our  infrastructure  we putting  AI in digital Talent including AI in  uh  did a safety  is and  also in green but  anyway the  most important  part is going to  be the  1 on tops  that mean as in the chief mention ed that we can not  work alone it's  going to be  required cost  Industrial ation  together and ation togethers and to achieve  that we want to be sustainable Nation       I think  I  think the concept  I think  it's the same to  to be sustainable  is  a chair Journey you can not do it alone so  I think the  comment  like letters  operators  consumers we  have to work together in order  to achieve a  better Greener future because  to  be sustainable is the  quiet Collective  investment  and  you have  need balance  policy you  have to  balance between  now and  the future  the  lines between the the  course and benefit of  it and  you need  uh share resp onsibilities  everyone have to  work together you  cannot do it alone  and there's  a course in  everything but you have to trade it between  1 things and  1 things  and how you balance it   and  you balance  now and the future you can not just  focus on today  what  is sustainability mean I think     yeah  thank you very much  and  uh to that Innovation and  digital ecosystem this time we need stakeholder corporations and what is important is  a transform tell ing into opportunity  at  extend telling into opportunity at extent the genuine chance  uh into  a better  more connected future but  what is more  important  is beside  the sustainability uh future where  the technology  act as  a for ce of opportunity  uh and  uh me chanism to reduce inequal ity and a  platform for  our growth  in our  country uh  for mbtc sustain ability is not  just a  moral obligation  but  in the future  where our Network uh  it's not just  the backbone  of our is  that econom y but  a catalyzed for uh train er and more  sustainable  world and this is  uh responsibility to adop t clean technology  at its  core and thank you  very much for  today and please  give a big hand  to  our pan elists thank  you very much  thank  you very much  to all  panelists and  also our moderator for  engaging disc ussion in  session to work here this was to  read a world  of knowledge  and  give us a  comprehensive  look at the directions for  the telecommun ication operating  and this  is taking to a sustained sustain ability as  a penalty  henricas  right now we're  going to have  a  short break you  can enjoy the fresh man outside  the room and  of course we  will be  back for  the next session  around 3 15 3 15 so please  come back on  time thank you very much                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    s   I special melee car  so  right now  our next  session is  about to  begin shortly  so please  welcome back to  the conference Hall work here  session   I  would like to  kindly inform  everyone  outside to  welcome and take a  seat inside  the conference room because  our next program  is about  to begin  shortly thank you  very much                                                                                                           so welcome back everyone I  have an  important up date regarding  our next  session un fortunately we have had for  seeing change to  the program  the speaker  of the  topic of  the US  policy and leading examp le on securing  critical  infrastructure  and digital  resilience so  Joffrey car  and  expert from the  Bureau of  the cyber space and digital policy  who was  scheduled to join  us today  from the United date  who will  be no longer  to  present here and  this is  due to the currency sit uation with  the US  government and  this is about  the US government cut  down which  has required  him to  reserve his engagement this  time this is  matter Beyond  his control  and ours and we sinc erely regret  and for  this appointment this  may cause and  of course  as a result  we will  now proceed to  the  directory to  our final session of of  today the  topic is about  the  crucial continu ation of our previous disc ussion pretty  cool infrastruct ure and  digital resilient  securing what matters the  panel disc ussion will  delve deep ly into  how we can enhance this cyber  security and protect  vital infrastructure  in our digital  world so please please  know that  this panel discussion booby conducted  in Thai  for this  panel disc ussion we  are ordering to have dist inguished pan elists and the  moderator  join ing us today  let's welcome our 16  panelists  first of all  she is  uh having over 20 years of of  the experience  in recreating  and supervising  the techn ology and the  payment of the the  Time Finance system setting the  it regulator  Frameworks  to build a  secure bank ing community  so please welcome  Miss Aurora  una Nan senior director  of Bank of  Thailand             we  also have  another extreme  panelists  with over 20  years of  experience Mr  pitch Express  lies in the public policy  and government  relation  in technology  and also  telecommunication part icularly  in car Computing and  digital Technologies  so please welcome missed  the Pitman  rather to be  on the stage  head of  public policy  Amazon web services thail             panelists Mr  wroot has  nearly 20  years of  experiencing  in leading technology driven  change modernizing  it system  and ensuring  regulation and Lion of course  Very industry  so please  give a big  round of  applause to Mr to  be on the  stage  head of this  transformation  and operating big green power  and  also leading  our discussion  today as  we also have  the moderator Mr  executive  director of the telecommunication policy and also  management Bure au office of  their nbtc    will  be on the state  with us  as well  as the moderator   and  big round of  applause once again  to  the esteem ed panelists  and moderator right youngest  state for recession  3       cop  have I  think uh  last session  session  critical  infrastructure list like industry in uh  in the city  regulator  uh  copy it   could  you clarify  Factor pap and  crit ical infrastruct ure the same critical infrastructure same unite ICT sector Cloud business I got  to open a crit  infrastructure  ending  work  the calling  uh  uh uh  kiyokawa  when 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my day exercise  till  all the exercise  we along uh  um  go  go you need you Network uh you  only  got I've been thinking t ough  exercise    God called   third  party business  continuity plan  long time  AWS do I have  couple  seeking in the  decide call  uh hyperscaler   continue     Data Center run you wouldn't electricity call connect ivity work     electricity provider ta  la don't  for  allow me when  generator some long  up and running       for     all ow me redundancy   to  hybrid can look at   but  in Kong connectivity connectivity PP  take home operator  then on what Done Yet PP  got operate they  can that it located  um  a larger  group such  as the EU  they allow  data to be put  into server s in other  jurisdictions  such as this  broadly is the a  European econ omic area but  we don't have something  like that  in  this type of world  so sorry about  the long list of yes   yes  I I'm not sure  uh  who want to take  this question       maybe I  I will  take the  question first maybe uh  for for for Telecom for  that come we  have  a similar regulation um uh saying that the  data must I mean personal  data must be safe  and secure  at  the Telecom providers uh local in Thailand   and  and by the  time I think  the the regul ation is not I mean  by the time  the  crowd services is  not yet I  mean using us ing uh uh  very very widely uh but uh  I do I  do agree  with with  uh the   we  we do that  um I mean put ting um the  data local  locally  uh come with  some benefit s but  come with some  drawback  as well but  then I  mean the the  the government  agency need to be be clear what  kind of sensit ive data that  that should be  installed in  in in our  territory  and for example  in  in the case of  I  I cannot remember when um  in the case of  Sweden and  they put a lot of  data  I mean uh and  so the  data Maybe maybe sensitive data like  data from from  the min istry of Defense  how  many tanks  they have they have how many how  many aircraft they got but put in  the crowd service  for that  uh  I cannot  remember  correctly that  maybe there's some  deadly  or something like that  or  the minister just mention uh  in in the  Parliament that  okay our data is  very skilled  in the cloud but  uh  the result of that  uh  he was kick ed out from the  position  because that  data consider the  sensitive data   for  for the country  so we  I think the  government agency  here need to  be very careful when  we consider  the in  the category  of of  sensitive dat a yes is is  that just my  observation thank you  can I I  have um  I wonder if there's  a representative  from um  DGA here  if if  anyone from dja is here   okay so so  can I  can I help  answer the  question  um so I'm from  the office  of  nsdc um  and um we  we also  um sit  in the  national board  of the  digital economy and Society um  which I think  the cloud  first policy went  through that void um  and 1 of the  guidelines  include  um the classification for like  different sensit ivity of  data so you  have  like open  data you have  shareable data do  you have like  5  6 other  you know like groups 1  of them is  sensitive and I think  people who are  responsible  for this is  the  distal um  government agency  these um um this  year yeah yeah yeah um  so not  not only that  they  classify these  kind of like  data groups they also gift  guidelines  on which  type of  clowns to  use so for  example um  if  it's really sensitive  then  you cannot  you know I'll put  it in Cloud at  all  um  and if  it's open dat a you can  use both like public cloud or um I  think it was  like chair cloud I'm  not super  familiar but  just just  to um speak um  because I  don't think anyone  from  DJs here    I  think so  but thank  you for for  your for  your thought thank you   okay yes  I technology  back but my    for a lot  of time you for  yeah  I'm in my  um Japan Apple  um iguana National  take   uh   adopt  technology  uh  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