sorry sorry B TC Symposium 20 25  so  right now I would  like to  welcome  everyone back  to the  nbtc is import 20 25 as  our E1  is about  to begin  shortly so  please welcome  and reserve your  seats in the  conference  room right  now thank you very much as about  our nbtc  Symposium 20 25 it's  about to begin  shortly Kal i invite  everyone to  come and take  a seat  in the conference  room right now thank you very much for for before your                                                                                                                                       so in BTC distinguished guests ladies  and gentlemen  good morning  and welcome back to  the second day  of  the nbtc simple  Sim 202 5 vote  on site and  online  participants  yesterday we have discuss about  the vital graph is sue including  infrastructure  and sustainability  today we  will just focusing on this  satellite commun ication  technology  and the space activ ity this  will cover the topics such  as 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capturing service through out this Symposium the  service is crucial  tools decide  to help everyone especially  for those who  are  having to re  impaired and  also follow access the  full content  of the discussion  seamlessly  today's session we will begin with  a special  keynote presentation  on the  envisioning the  future  I am T NT N landscape we  are honored to  have  nbtc  commissioner  St Paul  puree who  will be deliver ing  a video message  so everyone  please look at  on the screen  so take hang  on in BTC  Symposium songs in  landscape kind of mobile  for 50 % for for the  compliment time  to cut the  same  in  Hong Kong   start  I  may approach this accounting  soon  entity in the div ide 2 divide approach  uh  locality prior  I like a  teaching to uh   for   key  damage mobile Network some  elimination Spectrum  wrong  densification efficiency in  quantity quality my teacher    for   efficiency       we  can surprise  spectrum of  with for ta  for  hey Tia for that had 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device ready  to the Spectrum Spectrum  hi handset  afternoon mask  uh  440 time  right   if  to test IMT for land scape land scape  and now can exam is open  timeline  key  still some some like for for  little  data entry   put for  the  line has been  to a support  they  can teach all  talador Spectrum  to  a spectrum   can I for up    coping power  hey what's up  to or  primary how  call me Spectrum  it  is hey  for Spectrum some  nn  uh  router of my  group for      to our internet fix  tip ping for  for  for Market    form ing silo  Robert  in room for practice  detection time and  then cyber  crime   putana      and  people and   am ount hit for safety so    because    l 6 I  and I couldn't I for  outcome  in tegration  IM the um mobile  gang   people have to   so  right now we  are going to  move to again  um International  perspective  on this topic  and this  topic will be  conducted in English and  today we are  honor ed to have  uh the  director of the  international digital infrastructure  promotion  division  Ministry Internal Affairs and communication  of  Japan and  he has  an extensive exper ience within the min history  of internal  affairs in Communications  and having  a various  role in cluding W director  of the National  policy situation  and the  role related  to the  frequency  coordination  for the measuring  in  international events  so right now  lad ies and Gentlemen please  give a big  round of applause to Mr  ichida  a to be  on the stage      so somebody come  yeah um I would like to um and  provide my great  appreciation  to the  lvdc for uh  introducing  me to  the uh this  uh import ant uh International right it  is important  space policy especially a base business and that's half and and sharing  the uh uh information  sharing  and communication  between  the upper response uh once  again for  the NB C all of  the staffs are   excellent uh  Hospitality at  this times  therefore authorizing this  uh symposium so    as  already I  discussed and  I  introduced by dist inguished top speakers uh  until yesterday um digital uh  field is  uh greatly uh expand ing uh day by day  and  year by year  are very rapid and  also the  digital field  has become  the independent a disp ensable um  uh infrastruct ure among the uh  People of Our Lives the  globally IMD and  npn is expand  expanding uh in the of  the uh business  sector and  uh globally  the uh  space uh  Communications and  a space  filled  uh has been  in this dispensable and  uh important uh  for our lives so  today uh  in terms of  uh this uh  background and  recent uh trend in  the US space Fields I  would like to  uh  briefly introduce our  uh uh space uh  policies in  the main  lead are in a space commun ication affairs   Global trends uh  in the uh  level of  the market the  economic and  the social impact uh we  can expect  that from  the  development of  the ICT  infrastructure uh  is  uh can be estimated about  to around  about 4  74 billion around 20 is the  2030 is  uh 1 of  the RT uh years A4  achieving and promoting  a towards the our initial course up  here to achieve the  um next generation of  communic ation systems        the  uh this is  the  um uh  to introduce the but of  the and 5G uh  initiatives  that we normally  call the  uh and 5G as  the uh next generation of  communication systems globally  uh refer red to  as the norm ally is a 6G   that  we my c and  the implementing uh organ ization nycd  and mict mic  collaborate  3 prom ote the  uh research and development and  the uh  developing  and expanding  the business  of the uh 5G current 5G and  uh beyond the  5G  uh development  so  the uh beyond the  5G  devel opment found it  was in itially established in uh March 2023 so  now the  uh 17  new project  were already select did  until the uh  fiscal  year 2023  the  item is a  global initiative   uh  we Japan hosted  the a G7  dig ital and the  technology  admin cereal uh  the glory  and ministerial or  meetings  uh in  pakama  in Japan to  discuss the uh a  future networks Network with  it uh beyond the  5G  the errors so  at the time  that  ag7  a collaborative vision beyond the  5G a development Works endorsed  so  this main purpose is to  ensure that a G7 countries uh  collaboratory should uh  take an action to  promote  then a transition from  the initial  phases to  the phase of  imp lementation of  the 5G    then  now the  uh the we are  on the  stage of the  V 5G promotion strategy at  at 2.0 organized by mic so  uh we  initially  uh started  our uh  strategy before  they be on the  5G  a promotion in  2020 so  the 20 20 is just a years up  before they uh Target uh  years of the  2030 s that  is a considered as the go al of the uh Next Generation uh  Next Generation  communic ation systems  a 6 years  they buy a robot community    then  now the  um we are  um  promoting the  uh digital infrastructure uh policy found ed it uh  informatization cases it was but of uh  AI eccentric  Society  in 20 SS as  just uh  NC  commissioner ref erred to  just my  presentations AI  Centric is  that uh  1 of the RG  what achieve ment of the  Next Generation  commun ication systems so uh in this  uh in this  in a text box they said  it'll be  on the 5G  uh extensive ly uh connecting on  March lay er Networks  so  the March  next layer  networks this includes  in the PN and  all a photonic networks that  we are uh uh uh  collaboratory uh promoting the se uh  basic uh  technology for the uh  communication to ols with  our our  entity organizers and  ICT so  the mult ilayer network s is a  OBD  is some of the key item s for  the 5G systems  the  more a specifically this mult i-layer  a networks mean s that uh  several key items  a  wide variety of users object s and sensors then  the numerous  a small  and  a dissipated Aires special  individual finish  and  uh Computing resources so uh  this lead to accelerating innovation  the green sec ure and reliable  AI so this  is the uh  some of  the are  common goals our government to  achieve the  um  achieved  Beyond 5G and  AI based societies       so  as I just  referred to  the uh basic uh strategy beyond the  5bg  promot ion strategy uh  this includes  the A3 categories in this  in this categories uh  a non-terrorist  cereal a  Networks ndn uh  is 1  of the measure uh areas  so  uh more a specifically Communications  is uh  1 of the  important topics uh  this this  uh show s the uh  institutional devel opment for the  small intro duction of a globally uh provided it's  not visiting Japan and  also the  supportive development  activities       so  uh coming  into the uh  topics of  the  special Communications policy and  the research and development uh  uh first  uh uh I would like to uh  just refer to the uh  environmental awareness uh surrounding the current business policy R the a now  another  day is now  my  our basic understanding of propert y uh  surrounding areas for the space space activities in  particular  the uh number  second item in creasing development  uh dependence of  the economy and  the society on  a scale systems this  is the  uh very uh  trendy uh  very trending items 4  this areas now adays the  communications  the positioning and  the observ ations from the space uh uh  expanding  a more and more A4  the uh more  usable or services  and  also the  number uh third items structural uh  transformation of  the space industry this  is the  another it ems for the  uh grade 3 a changing the circumstances  among the space Communications it a countries every country  now promoting the uh space development and  uh technological innovation Andhra uh  business uh chances are  also the  grasping the  mind of our  people  and uh many  of the business sectors     the  based on  the our basic   recogn ization of the  nowadays the space communic ation and the  space policy that  we Japan government it's promoting  basic outer space plan  so this  is not only  the  our own our  ministry is own policy  but also  the uh Nationwide uh  so called the all the ministry uh  policies it  took promote uh  comprehensible  a comprehensive space uh policies so  under the  this uh space plan it  is space policy  committee  the committee is  or already organized  in under the  initiatives prime minister and  also the  secretary about to fall for  supporting  the uh space  policy  and Community is  also organized is  1 of them  and  also the uh  nyct Andhra and at jaxa uh  this is the  another uh space imp lementation uh  organiz organization  in Japan  so the  uh we  collaborate 3 promote they um implement ation and social  implementation of the space commun ication and  surrounding businesses           this  is the the  uh very  brief outline of oh  there are basic  Outlook  uh outer space plan  nowadays  under the implement ation so  the the Space Systems uh increasing integrated with  a terrestrial  systems  so just  as I mention ed before a  multi-layer  communication and  the mairaj lay er uh Network is a key items  to integrate the space at 32 system s so that  we a certain  goal and  a future  plan on uh  Center uh intro Center box ensure a  space security and  the address  uh resident nation building global uh  challenges and  realize uh innovation and on so  the number  a second  item is  the measure  a field of  the mics activities the  more uh specific  top ics and specific approach es is  listed under the uh  bottom of this table talk to and that communic satellite uh we so uh r  and  also the  um satellite quantum uh  in uh quantum uh  communication  system is  the uh another uh  areas  for future uh  a research and  development      the  in the  circumstances um uh  communication and  uh our  initiatives  initiatives ER the  first line  it says the  space  communication sector is  uh sector with uh  within the uh space activities this  is the  a particular ly the  large in  a market  spaces so the  this a table  and  this figure  shows the um uh  trend of the  market sizes  are in  the uh budget  uh  budgetary  basis  the uh from  the uh now the  2D uh 2030 and  20 35 so  the uh  this this charge show the storage a  surge of the  the amount  of the uh  budget  and budget  and uh  monetary  basis for  the market size of the a left side enter  entire space is  it a sector and  the RF uh  website  Mark size  of the space communication the sectors so  the um  not only the  government side but  also the business uh  sector uh  greatly  uh uh their uh expectations A4  not our futures   and  this is  the another  uh introduction  of the space uh strategy  I found  a we have  a Japanese government I  have uh established recently so  the and  this uh found  is operated by a for of  media series  The Miz  is 1 of them so  uh this fun d is the uh raised  and provided a  2d a Joe imp lementation agency and at  the at  the um  uh interfaces University Andhra uh  business side I private  companies and now  uh are prop osal their uh their R&D uh  around the proposal Andhra  are implement ation  is  not a proposal by  the selected uh initially  they buy a jaxa so  the policy  making and  implementation organ ization is  totally   uh  Implement Implement uh thing with  the um  basic basic ally the R&D other implementation phase development uh  in the space errors     the this is also the just uh example of the  selected um uh  project under  the Space strategy fund the  I I  would like  to uh  just refer to the several item  2 2 items  1  is the left side uh  this is the  satellite a  Quantum cryptography uh  communication  Technologies so  as I  and also  I mention ed the quantum uh  is uh  is 1  of the  uh Hot Topic hot top ic under the I RS certain development fields  also  the upper right uh side uh  this is the  um  communication  Technologies required for a  constellation a construction so the  uh as  well known the  constellation is a very uh  Trend uh  under the trend  uh Technologies 4  uh seamless Andhra  uh timely uh  providing  a a provision  of the  uh space commun ication from the space   this  is another uh  examples Andhra  uh left the  top side data really services utilizing Communications  so this is  also the  quite an important the  4 microns because as  also a well known quantity  and quality  of the  communications is  surging and  increasing very rapidly and  so the  unnecessary  uh unless the  existence of  the  data really services the  space commun ication is  a very limited on  the time  A Time phases so  every  country experienced uh  uh window so  cold window  of the  space communication  is just uh few several 12 minutes or  the a few  hours in  on the days  so  the in  to en sure the uh seamless Andhra uh continuous  continuous communication dat a rad Services is  a very  a critical or systems   now  also the  uh the left  or right  a right bottom uh  video also says the  demonstrate  the frequency  sharing Technologies uh  this is the  2  this is the uh  for the purpose of the uh  ensuring that  integrated um satellite and  terrestrial and  network operators so this is another another  important import ant policies for us  in  Japan the frequency and  sorry ensuring  a frequ ency is  a very  a key issues because  uh in  particular  that a larger larger cities like Tokyo and and and  that's all um  many uh business  sectors  you uses the quite an amount  a large amount of of  the spectrum external resources so  the lack of  the uh uh  Spectrum res ources is  uh has be come the  uh greater uh social upon so  uh while  we have a  making  the a great efforts  to ensure that more uh  Spectrum resources  somet imes the uh  we organization of the spectrum is very critical so  of course uh understanding and  understanding  the uh business sectors  and  not the 2  use or to change they are frequency  allocated  frequency no song yeah  this this  sort of the  activities led by us these are  also important so  the this is the the  very related  to the policy and  activities  collaborating  with the business  sector uh  and in  the in  terms of  the  space Communications       the  uh next it em n and  a radio spect rum just  just  an items the uh we  well we  are a well recognizing the uh present state  human  activity  our activity  grade 3 expanded  uh  traditionally from only land  uh  presently  are  is also  another another areas not  enough Frontier  or already uh  in particular uh  to the sidebars business fibre space this  is the  uh very uh   Trend uh  Trend items 4  a space areas and  then also the  outer  spaces is another topic  Nana uh so technically  the Japanese  people spend 2  2 3 hours a day on  average in  a super hard spaces so  the cyber  space is  a already   all keywords so  a space is  the final Frontier uh we normally hold it    the  uh communic ation speed  has a already  uh improved uh  by approximately uh  20,000 times you  know about another  40 years so  the init ially the  uh this  table start s from the 19 82 uh referring  to the immersive hey uh a comb ination systems  but at the time when I when I yes  uh at the  time  our communic ation uh  speed is  just a 4 8 uh kilo B BS not ome ga not a  big figure  uh just a  kilo B BS so the um  technological  advancement is  a great  uh looks like great prom otion and  advancing  advancing um trends   hi  that uh to  this it's the uh  space based uh services um  and now  expand ed and  uh improve  implementation uh services in Japan  me asure known as  geostationary satellite Communications so  the uh  the left  uh 3 of the left uh  left side  is under  already in services and  now a latest the space services the Amazon and  as  a space mobile  is  enough a plan of  the planning uh  in our planning stages     hi the I  have to also  the  uh in troduce the  uh 1 uh uh 1 typical uh  latest uh techn ology for the  space communication that  is the  terminal  a satellite a  direct communic ation systems so we  have um  uh endorsed  but the uh implementation of this Services just  uh last  year end  of last year so  the this  allows  the people  to communicate it  with  communicate  with their smart  phone devices satellite so  this  is the  of course  the main  purpose is  to expand uh  a coverage of  the communic ation areas so  this slide  is a  typical uh  a typical  uh examination of of  the such a purposes so  left a figure  out show s the  mobile mobile coverages in Japan so the uh Andhra uh  uh  yellow and the  thing yellow this  colors show s uh  cover coverage already that already  achieve d the communication Communications  now you  can easily  you can easily see that  the also  the Japan  have the uh very w ide area of  the non  coverage  and non cover  covered  areas under the provide r Communications so  uh maybe  this is  blue area and blue or agree areas mean s that um  unco vered areas very  mountainous areas and  a  very uh diff icult areas  to  uh to walk in so  to achieve the  communications in  such areas  to now the  widely  expanded uh  Services SpaceX uh  starting systems so  this is  a system  the basic  coverage  is the 50 uh 50  kilometers  in diameter  the diameter circle is uh  in each cell so the  um  like mobile users uh  directory  a communicate  with sorry  in the bottom figures so  in Japan  the uh today  are uh  uh 4 mobile  operator s the mobile  tail cost then  uh What uh  among  them the akdi or the AI AU a a have  already provide d this Services just a 1  this  is um Spectrum  usage of  the uh uh director uh  communication Services the  uh the opening 9  1.9 gig  ahead it's bad 1  gigahertz band so  this is  this shows  they are very  uh uh figure uh  uh specific  configuration how  to use  the Spectrum  very effectively in  Japan so  the recent ly the mobile  mobile tele  course have um a warded help ing awarded  the licensing  in the 2 giga for the  uh  Communications  and directly sat ellite direct Link Communications just  a 5 MHz  bandwidth uh  for the open ing and open ing kind of  down leg  it's already allocated this services so  the uh  this mean s that the um um  capacity  capacity for  the um  cereal mobile communication  had become the just  about drinking  by drinking  the number of  the  communicators however   uh  however  the um   15  uh 15  megahertz  bandwidth  for a blink  and a brown link Isla  still the enough enough uh uh bandwidth A4 and present a  number of the  service subscrib ers that I had uh  based on the  uh simulations    hi  the uh finally  the  uh the regard ing the Spectrum Spectrum Spectrum  topics  and I have  I would  like to also  the refer  to the uh activ ities for the  uh frequency we  organization so  the second  line  it means  the satellite  Communications and helps  so  now the  it we have  a llocated there are several  several amount of the a frequencies  the ER from  6 gigahertz 2  uh 30 gigabytes  band this is the a so this is uh  shf band so  we are  now the  uh making  the reorganization of the geostationary satellite uh  uh consideration and  and uh  electric scene so  the um  we have okay  we have a communicating with  our business side exist ing licenses nice  is  a spectrum us ers for the  change of  the for the change of of  the spectrum us age to  the space  Communications uh  in particular  the um n on-jews International  Space Communications you  got hit that or above this  is the e hf band uh  presently  the uh  use of the  a  is very very  high as Spectrum  uh band is  a limited so  the uh now  the um business sector Andhra R&D  organizations promoting  to make the  unused  the Spectrum  band a usable there fore another  communication services of  about 9 gigahertz uh  you guys have the band it  will be  ensured  until it  is 20 days our  uh major goals    the  last topics  of the day  today  is my present ation is a space the  weather forecast  so the  this is  the also  the important topic  ensure the safe environmentality uh this infrastructures      the  solar activ ity uh is  uh on  a stage of the active phase is so  at as  of as  of uh this year as  always this  year so  the uh  this is  also the  known that the s activ ities  um uh are  working on the  uh  trends of the 11 here are Cycles active and active and  no active  so the  um uh our a scientific  expectation patience of  the solar  a high active period will be this year so  the uh  this means that  the  uh solar activity is  a directory  uh linked a  link to  the um effect  to the space  Communications yeah  very direct ly under very seriously this  is the  example of  the  uh negative impact  of the  solar activities  the uh I would  like to just  1  uh refer  to the 1  examples uh uh  left upper side  uh  to this is  the uh  example  of the  uh satel lite laws uh to SpaceX is starting as a  right the  at the time uh magnetic uh stones uh has hit the uh atmosphere the  this uh  increases the  atmos pheric and dens ity at uh  in particular the law attitudes  and  also the  this uh  result in the  increment up date the aerodynamic  resistance the  the result uh was loss of  the A4 0 is the second staring that's authorized the  uh great amount of the a  budgetary  losses so  the uh  observing  the satellite and uh so  sorry and absorb ing the Surah activities it's  quite an important  uh topics     the  uh this is the end of  us right  now uh  this is  a mechanism of space weather our forecasting good bye nicd so  this features  the uh  scheme basic scheme not  quote the obs ervation  a solar  activity  observations  they providing uh a space whether a  forecast through  a 24 hours and  the Earth  uh 1 year  man the  operations so  the there are  uh 5  obs ervation is is  observation system s in Japan  and observation observational  data is  gathered at the  center  server of  the nycd not  also the right  side  these obser ved and collected data uh  is a calculated uh  into the analyzation no w forecasting and  the distribution so  another uh feature another  feature and the character characteristics Opa this  activity is  there today many  people or  come uh access a result  of the  such  in particular the  forecasting through  the Nic website so  the um  uh people  and the business sector account uh easily   make  the uh forecast  a forecast of  a forecast  and impact on  to the  area businesses  active ly updated d ata and  information and through  this is such a services   so  the uh  in summary  the uh I just uh introd uced the uh  space commun ication policy uh relating uh  R&D activities also  the space  weather forecast  a activities so  I I hope  but help understand the  um Japan uh  basic  policy and activ ities  for the space communic ation and uh help use the  uh hand a reflect the    box es access and  the policy  a  2 a uh  for the C  making and related activities  so  thank you very much  once again for thank  you very much  to  miss the is thank you very much to miss the Ishida  a for  the keynote speech that  is already finished  just now  thank you very  much once again  that  was wonderful and in interesting topics and  of course right  now we  are going to have  another  presentation  we will look into a high high potential  technology  for direct 2  device or  day-to-day Communications that's a lie to  your device and  this session  we also  be present ed and conducted in English we  will get to know  an overview  of the  Canada's policy and Regulatory road map for  enabling  to day -to-day technology  and of course on  this topic is is  allowing  direct to device  D2D  from Mr  Eric edra and of course  he is  a leader  team of the team  providing  telecommun ication regulatory and  compliant  advice for  Taylor's and  of course he  is responsible for advis ing on the rules  for  telephone Internet and mobile  services and managing policy submissions related  to the wireless  Spectrum  Licensing in  Canada I would  like to everyone to to  welcome Him worship  him because he is  joining us  virtually right  now welcome  Mr Eric  edra assoc iate General  consume regulator y affair form tell us please  give him a  big  round of applause        thank  you for that intro duction  I am happy  to be here  I'm  Erica Dora  as as I  was introduced and  I I  I can tell  you that it's  a big  honor for me  to be here  I'm very excited to explain to you the  uh aspect s of the Canadian  regulatory framework as  it pertains  to direct device I'm  coming from you  from Vancouver I  am associate  general counsel  of Telus Communications uh  Incorporated tell  us is the  third largest Telecom  company in  Canada and  we provide  Wireless and  fixed  telecommunication services to  customers across Canada   I  have been with  the Telus  regulatory team  since 2005 and  wireless Spectrum  regulation  is 1  part of my  overall  portfolio and  and so  uh hopefully  I'm able to  provide  some guidance  to you  in terms of our  regulatory framework as  it relates to  satellite services  I  just want to say  that  uh Thailand  is a country  that I have  not yet  had the  pleasure to visit but  my wife and I  uh  we definitely  want to visit  it  it's on our  list of  countries  in Asia that we want to to  go to so  I'm glad  to be here  at least virt ually and  maybe at some point  I can  meet some of you Ally  in Thailand at some point uh  please advance to  the next slide please  so  this is just  uh a  simple list of  what  I'm going to  talk about  today with you I'm  going to give  an overview  of the  Canadian contacts  and  then I will  provide a little  bit of  insight of the uh direct to device Market place as it stands  right now  in Canada  and  then I will  talk about  the regulator y framework  that has  enabled this Market place  and and  we'll be enabling  further Innovation and  deployment of device  in Canada  in the near future and  I can see on  the  agenda there's  lots of  uh great  topics on  satel lite services and so on I'm  hoping that I can  add  a little bit  of flavor  about what's going on  in  North America so  that you can think  about that  in  your own uh  countries in your own  regulatory regimes so  next slide please  so I  want to start by talking  about obviously Canada and it's  important uh  to understand  what I  characterize as a  problem but  it's more of  a just a  situation  of Canada Canada 's landmass  and where it is  in the world all  of you know  where Canada  is I  imagine obviously  it's the country in  red and it's probably a parent 2  things when you  see the map  1  is Canada  is very big and  the other thing  is the  Canada is very  far north um  you can see that  there  is  uh lots of  of of  land mass of even  north of the Arctic  Circle and  even below  the Arctic  Circle there's lots of land mass Barry called assignments  I have the  world and so  that's  what Canada  is facing  in terms of location next slide please  and so when you   when  you think about  the  size of Canada you  also have to add  in  the fact that  we don't  have a lot  of people  in  Canada un like in Thailand  or in  other Asian countries um  we are the  second largest  country  in the world  but  our population d ensity is really small um  and so that  I I have  comparison stat istics about  population density  on  the slide  obviously you can  compare it to  Thailand  4.6 in  Canada versus 14 0 in Thailand  China  obviously a much  bigger dens ity than  than Canada uh  Canada is immedi ate neighbor to  the north  to the South  United States  again a very  large country they have uh 9  times the  population density  and  in the largest  country  in the world Russia even  they have a  larger  population density  than Canada even  though they  have a very Northern location and  then a  comparison to Europe  I mean  uh you know  your kingdom  is you  know 65 times  the population density of of Canada  and  so when you look  when you think about  the  population and you  think about the  map I think you can determine why  directed device  might be a  very excit ing prospect  for Canada that  we extend  very far north and  then our land mass it includes  mountains forests  Frozen land Tundra  and then we also  border  3 oceans with  very long Coast and  so those have their own  challenges  in terms of  deploying wireless networks and then  of course we have  harsh climate and  then we have  climate  change as well  that's affect ing um  our geography  and  so that's the  context  of Canada  from a population  and Geographic perspective and  so maybe you  can if you can  go to the  next  slide and  so I what I what  I wanted to show  you  here was the  Practical effects  of Canada 's location and  Canada's  population density  this  is callus a wireless network across Canada so  everywhere that the map is shaded other  than white is  where we have Network so  you can see  immediately  that there's  large areas of Canada that are white there  is no wireless network  and  and so this is problem obviously because there's  there are some people  that live  in these areas  even  though it's not  very dense  there are some  people that live  in these  areas and  there are also some uh  people at  some places where  people visit go  on Wilderness vac ation they go  see the Northern  Lights  they uh  they go can oeing in in um in some  of our bays and rivers uh  these people  obviously would have  no connect ivity at all and  so what I want  you to take  away  is  look where the  network is  if you  again look at the  Greene purple  that's where our  network is  it's very it's  the southern  part of Canada  mainly  um  and a  very close to the  border of  the US mind  interesting stat  about Canada is that 2  thirds of  the population  40 million people  live  within 100  kilometers of  the US  border and  so you have  a very  narrow  part of  the country that  has almost  all of the people and  then large places  where there's  very few people and  so this  network that  I'm showing you on  the screen  tell us we covered  99% of  where the  population lives  and so that  Network even though  there's lots of light  in the area  that  covers almost  all of the people  but  again there are  there are  some people  that don't  have access  to a  network or  a lot of people  who will  be traveling  and  be outside of a network and  so that's  what the  the specific  Canadian problem  is and when  it comes to  building  terrestrial Wireless Networks  okay  uh so next slide please so the  takeaway is  why is direct  to device  an exciting area for Canada  that's  because as I  say there's  large areas  of our  country that  do not have  wireless coverage and  there is no viable  business case to  build wireless networks and  so the the  many places where  people live not  a large number of  people but  some people  do live  in these areas  they  will never have  a wireless  network available both of them  and  of course that when  people  travel to these  areas they  will not have  a wireless  connection  and  so that's why  the Canadian  government is  very  interested in  making sure that  it  enables this Tech technology I've directed device because  even though  fixed and mobile  satel lite services are available through  Geo satellite they're  very expensive and  and uh the  bandwidth  capabilities are  not  as are not  as strong as convention al terrestrial wireless network  and  that's why  uh when when  we think  about  possible Innovations for  services  for wireless  the  Canadian government  want s to encourage  deployment of  directed device  because it it it prom otes objectives that the Canadian government  has such as making  Broadband available to  all  Canadians  where they live and  they want to  improve connectivity along  underserved  roads where  people are traveling  and  so uh  the direct ed device could assist  with both of  these objectives and  then ultimately the  government is  concerned about  connect ivity and they're  also concerned about public safety they  want people to  have access  to  Emergency Services  if they're traveling  and something happens to you'll go wrong they  want people to  be able to  call  for emergency services and  so that's the  context of  the country  and why  directed device is  an exciting opportunity  for Canada  and  and that leads  us to  today so  if we can  go to the  next slide please  so  the on this  slide I  wanted to  explain a little  bit about where  Canada is  with directed device and  some of you might  be familiar in  Canada we have  3 major uh  mobile network operators 1  is the company  I work for  Telus all  3 of these  companies  have National wireless network s across  Canada and a lot of their Networks look  very similar  to the  network cover age that I  showed you on  the previous  slide tell us is Network and  so Rogers is  the largest  uh telecommunications provider  in Canada they have almost  5 12 million  Wireless customers  so you can do a  comparison  between Canada's wireless network Wireless  industry versus places  that have a lot more  population  I mean I think  the  American uh Wireless population penetration number of  subscribers  is more than  10 times  that of Canada and  so our largest  wireless provider  has almost  12 million Wireless customers and in term s of  directed device  they  Rogers is the  most advanced in  Canada they 've launched direct device  with starlink in  July of 20 25 it  just it just earlier  this year it's  characterized as  a beta  version  but it will  be  a lot it's  a live version as of um  as uh  as at the  beginning of October okay so that's  Rogers and  I'll I'll explain  a little bit  more about their  service in a second  but  I'll talk about  Bell  and Talus before  I  I do that Bell  has about  it's a little bit  smaller than  Rogers about  10.3  million Wireless customers and  it hit it  has an nounced a  plan to Launch and it hit it has announced a plan to launch directed  device with the  American company as mobile  in  2026 so  that's where B is they're  a little bit bigger than  Telus  Telus is  10.1  million Wireless customers we  have not an nounced anything  related to  directed device but  obviously  we are looking  at it and  we intend to  launch directed and be intent to launch directed device at some point in the near future  obviously we want to  make sure we're attaching up to  the major compet itors Rogers and Bell and  as I said  with Rogers they  are the leaders  in Canada  right now they have  already  watched um  and so Fair service and  uh originally  during the bet a version was  free but now  is 15  dollars a month in and some plans it's included and  and it's very  easy to actually  get on to the  service any customer from  any service provider  even dollar  tell us  customers can  actually access  the  Rogers network they just need to to  register with Rogers and  their device has  to be capable  with esim  as  long as  they register  and and subscrib e to the service  and  their device  has esim  then their their  device will be  compatible with contracted device  now  interestingly  enough um Rogers uh for  the for the  customers  that access directed  device obviously  they have to be  outside  of the wireless warrant so  you have to be  off  the wireless network  to get  access but  you will be  automatically connected   um  you have to be below the uh 60th  parallel so  even though  Canada extend s farther  north than the  Arctic Circle this  particular service  is still  in the remote  areas but  south of the  Arctic Circle um  and it's limited  text only and  it also does  not have  access to  emergency services so  it's a very early  introduction but  what it's trying  to do  is give  customers the  ability to  send text messages when  they are outside  of the wireless work footprint so  that's the  rogers's examp le and  if we can go to  the next  slide please hello  can we go to  the next slide please Okay so  regulator y footprint  in Canada the  regulatory  framework in Canada is trying  to promote  the enable ment of  directive device in Canada  and so again  Rogers is already launched but  there was no regulator y framework  to allow Rogers  to launch until  Fe bruary of this year of  the Canadian government  they  Advanced the  licensing  framework they  had a very  short  consultation and  essentially provided  the licensing  rules within a few months  again  very excited  about directed device  and then um  that what they  call  it and what we  call it  is supplement al Mobile coverage  by satellite  and  and so the  theory  the philosophy  is they  want em to  be able to  increase  their geog Geographic coverage with  a partnership  with sad dle I satellite provider and then  Wireless handsets that  that have esim  are comp atible because  obviously they're  using Spectrum  bounds  that are already for the trust Networks it's  important that this  is not  a service  on its own  that  a customer can get they  have to be  an  active Wireless subscriber  and  and in fact  we describ ed the  service as supple mental do the wireless fresh ville wireless network  that's the  in the  name supplement al Mobile coverage  so you I need to be in  the in the case  of Rogers  a Rogers  Wireless customer and  then I get  access  to the satellite the  satellite cover age is not  a service  entirely on its own so  as an  mno when  Talus launches even  though we're using  our our  conventional  Wireless Spectrum  for the satellite service we  still have to deploy  that wireless Spectrum in  areas where we  we want to have  our  terrestrial Network so  the government will  still still assess us in  terms of  deployment of our  Spectrum license  based on  our terrestrial Network  okay  and then the  the last  point is the  anticip ated use is  just for  texting service and  so again the  the framework  was designed  understanding  that the service is still in development and  still will  enable fur ther services but  right now it's just  for texts move  to the next slide please  okay  and so what  this slide is about  is um Canada obviously  borders the  US  and the US  regulatory  regime when  it comes to  Telecom  services this usually quite advanced and  so you  have and and  obviously with  Airwaves  that cross bord ers we want  to have consist ent regulatory  Frameworks  between the 2  countries as much  as possible and  so Canada 's direct device rules the  supplemental Mobile coverage  by  satellite they're  very similar  to the  US rules for  supplemental  coverage from  space those  rules were issued in March 2024 and  they have the same  policy  objectives as  in Canada they  want to expand  the reach of  communication  Services again  it's in addition to  the  mobile network you'll have satellite and  that enables  Emergency Services  and  there is a  desire to  advance new  Innovative Technologies  obviously the US  has a lot of  satellite companies the  satellite companies  are very eager to  partner with  mobile National oper ators and you'll  know that in  Canada Rogers is working working with starlink  Bell  is working with a space  mobile so obviously  the  American companies are are interest ed in expanding  to other countries  and  then in terms  of spect rum usage satellite services to  a large degree  you can see  the different band s on the  screen  600  megahertz  700 megah ertz 800 megahertz difference  we think the  initial deployment s are  going to be in the  800  megahertz  band and  then you have the what  we call the  PCS  band so that's  1850  to 19 15 and then  also the  advanced Wireless services sound  so  Canada and the  US are  very similar rules next slide please   so this  slide I depicted a very simple graphical  representation  of a  directive to  uh device  satellite szczerba um I  I'm not technical  I'm a law yer on  the regulatory  team  so this is  the level  of technical service  that I can understand  and hopefully  it's something I  can explain um  what I wanted to  show  are the different  chain  the chain  of services that up  the directed  device  at the very top  is the  wireless or Network  and  you have a ground  station  that sends  the transmission  up to the satellite  in space and not  send it down to  the  use to the you  sir the user 's device and  I've depicted  a number of  different  use cases here hand set vehic les or fixed  Wireless terminals  but that  that present  we're talking about  hands up and  then all the  different  services but  but obviously  the main  service right now is  going to be  data um  sorry text ing short  messaging service  SMS and  then eventually voice  Services data  services and  911  is our  emergency voice capability uh a  capable light  voice connection so that's what  911  is each of these link s on the  Chain have different licensing  requirements first  the mno who runs  the core Network  they have  we have  to have  Spectrum in the ter restrial mobile band s that are  allocated  to smcs uh  we have  to partner with hi there Canadian  satellite operator or a foreign sat ellite operator  that has  an  authorization in Canada  so the  satellite provider  has to go through  the government  of Canada and  get  satellite  authorization in Canada and  then the  mno  we have to have  a generic license  for all of  the hand sets that  that are going to  be connect ing to the service and  so what it so instead  of having  12 million license s uh  the government has we  get 1 generic  license it  covers all of  our handsets  and  then the  mno  has to have  an agreement  with a  satellite operator and  then that  agreement actually  gets submitted  to the  Canadian government  as part of the  authorization process  the Canadian  government  reviews to make sure that  we  we meet  all the requirement s  and  then they they  give us  our authorization so  that's the process  and the  licensing regime  at a very very  general level  next slide please  I  wanted to talk  a little bit  about  the licensing  regime because  Canadian  government they  wanted to make sure  that  this service gets  into the  market obviously Rogers  really  getting ready to  launch and  and so  the government  want to advance  the licensing regime  and  so what they did  was they  created a  licensing  regime that is  quite simple  it's mode led after the US uh uh um framework  um and it  it really does  give  a lot of flexibility  to  the to the  mno the first  thing is um I the government said make sure your  satellite oper ation does not  interfere  with other  terrestrial  networks or other  satellite operations and  so that was really  just that's really a  condition that they  imp ose upon us  but they don't they  they just want  the industry  to  police themselves  and so  it's a situation  where  just don't interfere  and then the  government will not do  anything about your  service  and so that  that that's the first  thing they  did they said  put the sign al in the air just  make sure you're  not interf ering with any one else   the  second thing is  that's  interesting is that  they did not  mandate  access to  emergency calling or 91 online  even  though we know  that this is  a big government  interest in  enabling emergency access opposing voice 9 11 that require s a very  high level of quality  of service  that could not be  guaranteed  in the short per iod of time  in the short term and  so the government  said okay do not we  do not impose  a  a requirement to  enable  911 or  emergency calling but  we went  we might enable  it  or examine  it in the future  and  so that's when  our telecommunications regulator  the crtc  will look at  and  the other thing that  they said  was we're  not mandating that when  Rogers launch es sat ellite service  that tell us  and Bell  are allowed  to roam on that there's  no mandated roaming and  that was  uh an understanding that roam ing requires a lot  of technical  capab ility to implement  and they  did not want  to delay SM  while  we were enabling that cap ability and  that was also  an understanding  that  at at the present the  bandwidth is limited  for these  types of services  and  so they do  not want to over load  the satellite signal custom ers from other companies and  so you can see  it's a  very  flexible Innovative uh  Pro Innovations all of framework next  slide please and  so this is my  last  slide  and I just  want to  provide  some takeaway s for all of you terms of a  general thoughts  about the  licensing regime  and the situ ation  in Canada the  licensing regime  was really inform ed by the fact  that the  government recogn izes this is a rapid developing Marketplace  and  it's a service  that shows tremendous  potential  and promise  and it's  very innovative  and and and and  so the government  didn't want  to make  a complex  licensing regime now  that stall  or prevent  the launch of the se services  in the short term  and  so that that  was really the  motiv ation they had  a very short  consult ation period as  I mentioned  they have  been very flexible possible  regime it's  the government  recognizing we  don't want to  stand in the way  of  these types  of services  because we know  that they show great promise   um  the other thing was the  the government's  want to move because  the  satellite  providers they're  launching their lower corporate um  satellite con stellations and  they want  to deliver services  to  customers they want to find  new ways  get  their satellite um  connectivity  to uh people  in different countries and  so they're looking for  opportun ities and so  they want  a flexible  regime so they  can actually  start  to harvest  and make  uh make  some commercial  opportunities  with what  they are launching and  so this is  led to a  situation with  The Regulators are  trying to find ways  to allow  for innovation there's  lots of things  that the  regulator will  need to look  at in the future for  example access  to Emergency Services  or  uh whether companies  should be required  to provide  roaming service say s or the qual ity of service  or  various other things for  right now the  regulator was  more focused  on  let's let this  service come to  the marketplace let's  get customers to  start using it and  then we'll determine  at  a future date  um  in various cons ultations or  after various  reviews what sort  of rules  need to be implemented mented  to make sure that  this  service is being  provided  in the best  possible manner and  so that's my  presentation on the Canadian DH D framework and  it's I I  I  hopefully there's time  for questions I'm  not sure where we are  on  the schedule but  I am happy to to  take questions if there's time oh yeah it's okay so that's  the conclusion  of the presentation thank you  very much to Mr you are asking for  presenting such a beautiful 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to  remind  everyone once again   short  break is already  finished  and our  next session is  about  to begin  shortly in the few minutes  so  please welcome back  to the  constraint  room thank you very much                                                                         the  next session is  a deep  dive pan el discussion  on the practical imple mentation of the  IMT  NTN  technology and  this session is  the title from Sky 2 Street the  new era  of IM T NTN annable Global Communications  so please know  that this  question  will be conducted  in  English and  for anyone who has a a  question on the top ic presented  or require  the further  information  so please know that you can  submit your  question  right here and  for our  on-site audience in the cons has  been homework  you may  write your question down  for  the panelists  on the paper  provided  you can hand it to  1 of  our office r as well  and for  our online participants you  may submit  your question  directly through  the chat box  and  this panel disc ussion we are  honored to have support distinguish ed panelists  and also  the mod erator join ing us today  first of all the  principal  engineer experts  from Office of  the  nbtc  with over  25 years of  experience Mr  cine over seas policy  and strateg y for  spectrum and  satellite management rep resenting Thailand  in various  International Forum I  would like to  welcome our  first panel ist to be  on the stage          and  next we are  honored to have the  vice president  government and  Regulatory Affair form ed wise acts he has over  25 years of  exper ience across  government and the  private sectors special izing in Spectrum  policy  satri regress ion and leading why is that government  engagement in the  Asia Pacific regions  so please  welcome Mr  Christian Gomez  to be on  the stage            and  next we  are honored  to have  our panelists join ing us virtually he  is the vice president  so is and  is Asia  from  you to South  1 Webb to be with us  virt ually with over 25  year in Satellite  Communications  Mr balamuri lead you just add  1 Words Business Development  and the market  access efforts in  the Southeast and  East Asia  focusing on  extending  connectivity to  the hard to breathe this  location for the government  and  Mobility  industry so  please welcome him Mr  Bala Bal a Murray  the vice  president s is an East  Asia from  due to  side 1 Webb please  give him a big  round  of applause because  he's  joining us  virtually   and  next we are  going to  have Mr Wong this is  uh the  person  that in charge  of the  international  partnership  and he is  joining by  the top  Regulatory and Technology expert in  the NTN  sector  from China  and of course please welcome Mr Peter  Huang the general man ager International Business Development  from galaxies is  to together with  Mr Young director of  spectrum management form galaxies  space please  give them a big  round of applause  to  our SD  moderator  Mr  chatai growing  up director of spectrum allocation  policy and  infrastruct ure development  division from the office of nbtc         like back on ask  this panel  discussion  in this session  some of the  speaker joining us virt ually we would like  to  invite and  suggest you  to build  a presentation like  or the view of  the  speaker on the  screen you  can select your  preference View on  your Zoom screen  thank you very much  so  the floor is average   uh thank you MC so  uh my name  is uh chatai I  will be the  moderator  for this session  and  as you see we  have the  mix of the tie  and international so  this session  will be conduct in  English but of course  we have the uh  type translator  as well uh  first of all I  this is my honor  to share the stage with the  great  distinguished experts here uh  to Anastasia and also to  data virt ually online and  for today's  session as  we seen from the previous  session today that  uh  today we are  in the space theme  is the  spare satel lite direct to device so  the team is  uh now is  on space but this  is not the future  anymore uh  is not  far future is  not is  not even  upcoming future is  actually the  today issue in  this session we will     uh  deeper uh  in discussion because  from the sky  we if we  go down to the  street  for the new  era  of the IMT and and  and about  Global Communication   and  let me  outline the session  quickly  the session s for we  will start with the top ic specific  ground for the  ish panelists and  after that we  will go for cross  panel question  for 2  to 3 question  depending on  the time we  have  and lastly we have  conclus ion remark from  each panelist so  let's uh let's  start with the  first 1 the  first the  first question uh  I will start  from the  regularly part uh so I  would like the our own principal uh  expert  couldn't say uh  do you think  uh  what are the what  are the key  consideration for Office of the  nbtc uh  in regard to  IM T NTN issue and also what  have the  NDC  have done so  far to  prepare for the NT N IMT  issue and also  how  how we balance the market for  the relevant service  uh but  in particular terrestrial  and non -terrestrial services  thank  you the floor is yours   um  thank you to  the chat chat  and  um good morning  to all so um  I should  um answer  um our moderator 's question by um  give  uh a quick  presentation on our perspective of  um NTN um  it's  great to be here  and  I'm to  see um  all the faces  so  what exact ly is the  MTN I sorry    too  many things on my  hand um   in  our will  I think um most of um  you has familiar with the concept of NT N uh we see as  a liquidator we  see NT N as  non-threat non n on-space  is a mixture  of both this multi-layer system and  normally it  would comprise  a space segment um  in various  um orbit the  Leo Meo  or go  satellite and  we have  a lot of  panelists  in in  the space segment  right now who  can add value to  our conversation and  we have  uh an air segment  as  you have already  um  um heard from  colle ague from um  Japan uh  they are focusing  on on  the HS and  also we  are also  thinking about drones are you AE  as part of  the NTN  and  um we have the  crow d segment which is um it  provides connectivity  for the  space segment and  the uh segment uh to  our tolerance  uh to  our terrestrial  Network we are the Gateway  or a station so  in its sense  it should  in together  with the TN  provide  um the seam less connect ivity uh for  the service uh  the example of  such  service that has  been talking  so far from  our candid ate  counterpart would  be like  um the  D2D model   when  we are talking  about applications um  there are various  application  that in in  can leads to um because  um it offer varieties of  um of services  opportunity in  terms of  its ubiquity  connect ivity so  it provides it  can provide  service in rural uh  unserved area in  terms of broad band connectivity  authors  in the meantime  just  only takes  a normal voice but I  think I believe  that  the NT M can provide  uh a lot  of  opportunity in terms of broadband pain  um in  second 1 it  would be the crit ical Communications  like um the  1 using in public disaster or  emergency communic ation it provides  a room  and  opportunity for  that kinds of uh applications um  the third 1  would be um because provide  seamless  connectivity service  so it  would be great for  certain um  application like  um Automotive  like  um Aviation more  Maritime communication  and   a  lot of um um our  cutter part  in um the  network sector it  provides it  can provide a  good back hole and  um um  you for utilities  for the  network backbone and  for other things  like sat ellite iot  issue  it can provide  industry specific require assignment  in in  terms of  agriculture environmental monitoring  and Industrial devices  we  are part of  the  NTA landscape  uh  as far as  we can see  uh  we see that  there are  players  in that 1 uh  several pages  in in those  Area 1  would be the  satellite  operator of  course A lot of them  are here the  1 we  are a new  type of  operator  would be like  the house operators or  the UAV  are drawn  and operator it  provides some  maybe a lot  of um new forward-looking services uh  apart from that  we have  a tourist Network oper ator which  can combine those um NTN into exist ing TN uh Network and  as such  uh the  regulation  uh coming into  place uh us  as in BTC  as a  legal has to provide a room for  them to  uh to have  uh this  kind of services  why balancing  the opportun ity and also  the challenge um  we think that  the resour ces like the  spectrum is  a key  area that we should uh and  also the  standards  there are current lead ers stand ard uh being doing  being done sorry in  a 3gpp  in terms of  NTN    I  think our task as  a legal letter is  just like  putting together  a regularly jigsaw we  don't have a  complete  picture of the jigsaw yet  we  have a piece have a jigsaw  so we  try to do  um  our  things as  far as we can  do  I  I believe  uh and we  believe that  uh right now  uh  focusing on like  the satel lite service or  Landing right  regulations to  provide satellite service  but  we also uh have  an opportunity  to see  whether there  is a need  for end to end  um  to talk with  TN  to provide  connectivity and  what is  this the  business licensing of  that would be  in terms  of Thailand  we  are currently doing  the  UAV regul ation or  drones regulation to allow um  the oper ation of drones using um Cellar light  satellite and  um and thing  and  also we also  provide the  regulation  we are doing the  regulation on esim which  is a  session in motion that  gets a  piece zero  pieces of pixel that  we are doing right now  we  don't have  a comprehensive uh um  picture of  the jigs aw testing going and  as um the  years go  by I believe  that  we have a  new jigsaw coming  into players and um the I  think commissioner some home has  just said earlier  that  we are  doing some  study project  and also  several them  the outcome  of that  would require  maybe a new jigsaw a  modify jig saw in  in in this place so  we'll see whether  we will have  a good  picture of the nnn nn thing  and  we believe that  the  crucial debate right now uh  for us  is a D2 D thing  the Canadian  um um  perspective  on that 1 which  is similar to  the  US uh  perspective  would focus on the  the  second part of the of  the uh  D2D which  is the this  should be using the  IMT Spectrum and  we are also  following the uh  D2D  using the  mobile satel lite Spectrum which  was this which  will be discussed  in  uh agenda  item of the  bureau cracy itself uh it  we  can see that  accelerator  we will have I  say on what  frequency  should be doing  and which  send out for  the user uh  equipment  handset is whether it it  is modify on non modify so to  sum up I  believe that  um the  theme of  this um um  session  which is  from Sky to Street is  not a hyp othetical thing  it  um it it  is the  beginning of the  paradigm shift to take us further on  the new  landscape of  telecommunication service thank you uh  thank you very much  and thank  you for showing  us  to uh discuss  about how the office the  npdc  have prepared  for the new  jigsaw  and already have stud y for the  new de velopment of the MTN  IMT services  so  since we already  heard from the  regulator  side so next  we will  move on from  the market our  industry  perspective so  let's start  with the  Mr Christian who lead the  Asia Pacific Regional engagement on  the policies of the why so uh  I would like to  add  that how do you  see  the gobo IMT NT N landscape  evolving and can  you lay out  some big picture of the scape or the  market overview  on the interesting  side thank you very much  the floor is yours thank you very much um  I will talk about  the uh  different development s on NTN and  also I'm going to  talk about what  the jigsaw  might look like and  I think the jigs aw analogy  is  a perfect because we  are all contributing  to  build something together  but  here at the regulator role  is crucial because to  build a quick jig saw we  need a very stable regulator y framework if to refine what is  not stable  the jigsaw will come apart in pieces so the  role of the  regulator y is is  crucial part icularly on on  Space issues  so before  I go to  that I would like  to  share with you  a short video show  some of the  amazing  and interesting devel opments  we are a chieving so please go ahead thank you                    thank you very much  so in  this the theme  of my  presentation  is the  significance of  multi or satellite   I  believe that  Thailand is  a multi- orbit market and  there are many  reasons for that  1  of the reasons why  we need an  ecosystem with  multi or bit is  because when  it resilience and  when it continues  coverage something  that is crucial  for us in  the in the  video I showed you  before  that's 1  solution that  we're imple menting which is a  multi- orbit Solutions so we're using go  gso  and and mgso  together bonded  and  that particular  application  is for our  Maritime solution so call Nexus wave  and  we are doing  that in  partnership with  our uh Le o constellation  partner 1 Webb  and  and we are expand ing the concept  of mult i orbit  to many other applications so  that's the theme of  my present ation and  I want to  show you a little  bit in  more detail in  terms of what  this  means so  via sat came  together with  inmarsat  in 2023  we are now 1 company  and  we have a number core  competencies  we cover Avi ation business  maritime government uh business  communities energy  oil and gas our  expertise  goes right across  many  different segments  of of of  the space business   most  importantly we  are a mult i- orbit  satellite  and Communications  Technology Solutions  provider and  the reason why  we're going to  develop our Solutions  on a  multi or bit basis  is because  we can bring  the  best of  both world s in that way and  we also do  this through um  mult iband strategy  which  is shown in here so  we combined  our  gso assets with  mgso  capabilities  through our partners but  we also part nering with  terrestrial operators to  deliver NTN and we  have a port folio of  bands that we  use for  this so we have elban  and esbon to  deploy the  NTM  part but we  also  use that for generic  mobile  Satellite Systems so  MSS for Broadband type  of application is going  direct to a  handset from  a satellite  is not something  new it's  been done for  decades already  but  now we are  expanding 2  and enhance  MSS  type of ecosystem  so  we've all  seen the  S phones they come in different  shapes and sizes  some of them  are big  some of  them and smaller some of them  are used for Public Safety some  of them  are used for  Enterprise so  the challenge  of connect ing a satellite  directly to a handset  it's nothing new it's  been there already  but  we're just expand ing it  enhancing it  to go  to the  smartphone environment but  in terms of engine ering  it's been done already  that's  important because  we  are going to have a  different  challenge  when it goes uh  connecting consum er handsets from  an NTM  perspective so  we  all know  that a mobile handset has  uh  basically  a very basic  antenna  so  we're going to have to  improve  antenna so today  if you connect  to a  cell phone tower  the  cell phone tower  will be maybe  1  kilometer away from you  5  kilometers  10 kilometers   maximum  15 and then you  jump to  the next  cell but  basically the  handset that  you have today are a big screen it's  it's a computer but  when it comes to  the  RF part  we  have some challenges  if you want  to connect  that handset  to  a satellite  that is  hundreds of  kilometers  up in in  space so  we need to be  mindful  of that because  we are seeing promotion of direct to  device in  IMT band s for example  and connect ing directly to a handset  uh  those handsets  that you have  today  will not  be reliable we're  going to have to  enhance that  and 3 GBP stand ard release 17 Beyond will  help us get  to  an enhanced type of hardware uh IMT or  D2D done  in IMT  bands  is  not stable  at this point from  the hands of perspective  but  also it is  not stable  because at  the satellite end we  have a situ ation  where those satel lites are trans mitting their signals into  terrestrial Spectrum which is not um uh  regulated in  that way  in the  right regulations  so  in  fact the satel lites doing D2 D in IMT  bands  operate and  I'm going to get  a little bit  dry  here with itu language oper ate under Article 4 or 4  what  does that mean  it means that  those sat ellites and  their Transmissions are  not protected  against inter ference and can not claim protection that so they not  interfered with  anybody  but also must  not claim  interference protection which  means that those are those are in a way not within the  regulatory scope of  of the international  alloc ations table of allocations  because if you are cell ular operator  on the ground  you  do provide  service level agreements to  your customers so  there is  a expected  quality of service  but you can  achieve that because  you  have a guaranteed  access to Spectrum  and  you have respect  to management framework which  is fully  protecting the  Spectrum and  protecting your  operations so  you can  have quality of service  but if you have added to  the service operator in  IMT which  in 1 end has  an  unreliable  handset  because antenna is cheap  and and not  fully developed or enhanced and  then at the other end  you have the  satellite which  is operating  in an  unprotected basis  then it's  not possible  to guarantee  connection  and this is why  the  service has been  deployed today  in IM T bands are the  nominated  intermittent so  sometimes it  works sometimes  they don't  sometimes  it can  the SM S can take 10 seconds to  be delivered or  you can take 2  hours  or maybe it  might never arrive  so that's current status of of  of the market of  D2D  in IMD  bands that's  what you can expect  so  you might not  expect  reliable  emergency communications there in IMT how ever on the other  side so  if we  look at  How We Do  NT N and MSS Spectrum the  situation is different  so the  triple of  allocations fully  recognizes  MSS spectrum is  harmonized  globally  and  those satel lites operating  in MSS  that are fully  protected  under the  radar regul ations so  there is no interference problem  but  we're going to have to  solve the  handset bit so  the satellites  are covered  well  under MSS but  the handset will  have to be develop ed  better through the  3gbp work  but  also I want to  let  you know that  don't  think just about  the handset  because  NTN is more than that  so  NTN will  be able to deliver connect ivity in iot as pect Industrial will  be able to  deliver and  connect cars  will  be able to provide  services  to Public Safety  also  the marit ime industry  deviation  and uavs drums so  NTN is  a lot more than  just the handset     um  now I want to  talk about  something that is  very important for  the regulator uh  in general which  is  spectrum and  how do we  deal with  the question the  question of spectrum so  we want to do  all  these wonderful things  and  and we are developing  standards but  there are some pressure  points here  so  the first  2 pressure point s that we have  is some  of the system s being de veloped  or or the way  they're being deployed Point toward s ecosystem lock in  so  we  advise that we  are looking  at  a different model so we  are looking at using  3gpp  standards  right across the board all  our applications  should be 3 gbp  standardized also  because that all ows an a  level of um  open  architecture  so  it's no um  we are  not looking at going  into the future  with um prop rietary type  of uh system s we're looking at  open system however offerings are looking at prop riety only part icularly 2  offerings and  those users  that buy  those uh term inals of  the Shelf  in  the electronic store will  not be able to  use  the terminal in  an  entry  Parable basis  with other  networks so  so you are  locked to that Network so so  we are  moving away from  that model so  that's a that's  a risk for  a market  because  it means  the customers will  not be  able to switch  between providers  but  we want to get to  the stage where similar  to the mobile  uh terrestrial operators if  you have a handset or  a connection you  can select  a different provider  and  that handset  should be able to  work fine but  some other  emerging off erings are looking at you  are locked in  with that  system you  cannot move  to another Network so  we are depart ing from that  and the  other thing that we  are en countering is  that government s are looking  for so vereignty friendly  satellite Networks and  I talked to  all  various countries in the asia-pacific region and  they all want to  have some level of so vereignty um applic ation on those  networks they don't want a  rogue system to  roam around   phon es to just come  in and out of the  country and  bypassing  the local infrastructure in  terms of how  we are developing  our offerings fur ther when it  comes to the  or bit and Spectrum  resource pressure so  we see there  is a  huge demand  to get to Leo particular ly between  300 and 700  kilometers  so  2 Mega  constellations  have deploy ing all other space craft there  and the filings  Focus on that slot  which is the  quality log so not too low not too high  that  1 is running  out  very quickly so  the question  is for  countries and other companies  so are  we going to be  locked out of having  our own mgso  in Leo 1 day so  that's something important  for for  the regulator  to think about through res olutions at the  planning potent ial conf erence and  the rad Communications  assembly  address ing or attempt ing to address  the issue  of Equitable access to  orbit and Spectrum in Leo but  we haven't got  yet a solution nevertheless Le o is being  depleted  very quickly    and  the problem with  that  with  the depletion  of of Leo  is the  systems that  are depleting  Leo very quickly   position ing them selves between  300 and  700 kilometers   between  the 2 companies  we're talking  about  38,000 satellites and  they're looking at expand ed at even more  the  problem that  we encount er for us to  do mult i orbit  and for  Thailand to be  a mult  digital economy is the  same companies are  requesting that you  to  remove or relax the  interference limits that  protect multi - orbit systems ogso systems how ever you you want to  look at it  and  Thailand has its  own  gso fil ings which are sovereign  gso filings  Thailand  has its  own Assets in space and  Thailand is  basically becoming multi- or  economy but  we have a  challenge if  we  are not able  at this point  accurately access  and get a  profile of  interference from  this Mega  constellations if  we cannot evaluate them and  at the same time  those  networks are  asking The Regulators remove  or relax your  interference limits we  can end up in  a situation where  we  are not going to have  competition    so  something that we need from  the multi or bit perspective we  are also building  a small term inals as you  see in the picture   similar to those  Leo Networks but if  those interference  limits are removed we  will not be  able to  protect those  uh small  terminals from  interference and  we need them because  um those  small terminal s are enterprise-grade type  of architecture so  we are not  looking at  deploy ing these small  terminals in  supermarkets or  selling them in  supermarket or elect ronic stores  these are for F18 Fighters  these are  for uh  free gut s at  at Sea patrolling these are Public Safety  and emergency those  are the market s that  we are serving if  we cannot protect those  terminals from  interference because the it has  been convinced  by 2 Networks the removal  relaxed in defense limits that  today help us  coordinate  your assessment  Networks we  will there  will be no competition  for  the 2x prop osing this relaxation and  also you will  have  interfer ence going into  your Sovereign systems so  it is a huge  issue uh WC 23  rejected  the proposal but  we see  that the  proposal  will come back again 2 7 and Thailand  is going to have to  be prep ared  cons ider its opt ions for  for a conference so  what are the  experts saying  there  are concerns  about  aggressive econ omic models  concerns about  Spectrum capture and  Spectrum  uh and concern s about Market  capture  that comes  because  spectrum is captured so  this is what  the expert s are saying so  there are concerns of Monopoly  duopoly  creation  there are concern s about  Spectrum  being consumed  very quickly through  orbital occupancy  which  is completely  unrestrained and  also how the  orbital use together  with a ver tical in tegration of launch  my create and bottleneck s for um health y competition to  take place not  only that but  also some  some  proponents  of those  systems do  not consider the Sovereign right  of countries  to authorized Transmissions because  in countries where  you have a  licensing regime and  you have a  Leo Network that  is prepared  to bypass  the licensing regime and  you cannot have  a spec to  management how  can you  assess inter ference potent ial so it's  a huge risk  it u has an agenda  item  WRC has an  agenda item to  deal with that  agenda  item 1.5 so  there is no  answer in terms  of how to  deal with that  but work is being done        so  how do we  comb at how do we  counter Market locking and  the pressure on  Spectrum first  of all we need to think  about the  consum er the users in  Asia Pacific  the digital  economy  is most mostly  mobile so  the terrestial system s have been very  successful  so  in countries you have  in  many countries  in in the  Asian region you have  90  plus percent coverage  of the Resto and  sometimes you are  left  over we  having to cover 5 % or 4%  or even  1%  in some cases  a  complimentary  satellite  broadband system now  the question is  if you  have to  is a policy  question if  you're trying to  address Universal  coverage and you have  to cover the  1% of  the 5%  that is not  covered with satellite  why  would that solution impact  on everything else that you have should n't right so  it is okay to  have multip le offerings  of cons umer Broadband in  in the shelves  of the market  but  there is no reason why  those  products should interfere with your military your government services your  Maritime and Aviation so  here in the  financial management  is key but also we  are looking at  something very  interesting here 2  countries in Asia  Pacific where  star link's been very  popular  so Philipp ines and Indonesia  we found that  purchasers  of those um terminals are  not in the rural they  are in the cities they're  in Manila in  case the Philipp ines and they're in  Jakarta  in the case of  Indonesia  so actually The View  that some solutions  are there  to bridge  the digital divide I'm  not Bridging the  Divide because people only  in the city  can afford those  ones so this  is a  publicly available  information  by the government s of Philippines  and and Indonesia I  show the market  uptake everything  is happening in  the city  which doesn't make sense   and  just to begin  to close  um  I used to be  part  of a regulator  in the past  and also in the  it u but so  I need to think about  how  I can support  Regulators in the region  in space the  ecosystem is  totally different  in comparison  to the rest you so  we  always compare  space with the  automobile industry  because  it has a  standard because  they have  rules of the  road leg islation and reg ulation that  modifies  Behavior in  order to have very  stable jigsaw um   once  satellites are  launched you  cannot recall them so  everything that you  do  at the itu  level and  at the national level has  ex and the  regulation to  prevent  things from going wrong    we  have seen cases where  Tech  leaders have  requested removal or  relaxation of regulations  in  order to do  something but  we have seen  that  in some cases  things have gone wrong  and  in the case for example  of the  automobile industry  the  largest recall  of vehicles  was in the United  States  2. 6 million vehicles but  at the same  time  the manufacturer  was  requesting the  government to remove  relax regulation  but  in the rest  of the sense  yes  you can recall  vehicles but  once a mega  constellation  is deployed no  government can recall it so  you have to regulate  xante so  my final slide  policy  recommendations  for Thailand  think ing about  avoid ing Market log in thinking  about avoiding  Spectrum capture  by 1 or 2 Mega  constellations  is key and please you should  resist any  requests to relax  your regulations because  you cannot  you will not be  able to  recall  those constellations  in the future  and  since we can not make  sense of them  we cannot accur ately evaluate  them at this point  not  even the  itu  we  cannot really profile  them in terms of  their  interference contribution so  why should regulators change or remove inter ference limits when  we can not make  sense of them so  in regulator y terms to  me that's a red flag and with that I thank you for your  time and it's  a pleasure  to be here  I'm  happy to answer  questions thank you      on  the multi satellite  business es and also  you have  already  touched upon  some challenges like the  handsets  shall and the  interfer ence and  also the  Spectrum challenges  so let's uh discuss  more on the  challenges  and also the  opportunity now  we will move to the online part uh  Mr Bala  if you are  here with  us can you  share us  more on the  real point of the sat ellite operator  and so provide uh  about the  Shaolin  and opportun ities in  deploying  IMT and TN and also beyond the  Spectrum and regul ation what fact or might  slow down  or speed up  the adoption uh the floor is yours   thank you  uh thank  you and um  good  morning um and happy  to see you all  at  the symposium thank you  for inviting  uh  you just said to  participate in this um  as as the  previous speaker said directed device  is  not a new business but  and and we  have been  in this in  this game for quite  some time now and now  what we're trying to  do is  standardize bring  the capability  to smartphones um  so from a  user perspective this  is a very  exciting time I mean  you can't you can whether you're considering  it for emergency  use  whether it is we  extend coverage to  some wonderful  Nature Park where  you couldn't  previously use  your mobile phone  which now  you can do from  an operator perspective it  there's a whole  range of new  challenges we have  to consider uh  before I  dive into the  detail what  I'd like to do  is to  show you  a short presentation of  um video I should say  of  you to set group and  then um  I will try to on  to the question  by referring  to a few slides  so  can we have  the video                                                                                         thank you  for that  uh so that's  a quick  introduction um to  the utilite group the  the discussion  topic we  have today  before I  dive deep into  it let me  just have a  just a quick fur ther update  on  the the general principle um  the the Le o component  of the  utican group has always  practiced and  that is 1  of a  complimentary  nature to  the existing terrestrial  capabilities  let me  quickly share my screen to show you  a  couple more slides   so um 1  Webb is is  is a  middle mile  connectivity provider  so  we we  have we we don't pi2 or we don't at  the moment try  to reach  an offer  Direct Services  to end  the customers and  it's a it's  a clear  distinction between the  1 with Le o constell ation services and  that of some  of our  competitors  that you  already know  so there's a  big difference between offering s atellite internet as  a service to  end customers  and  then then there is middle  mile connectivity  that you provide  to your part ners who are the local licensed service  providers who  can then  deliver the final last mile service  in the flavor  and  the language and  they and  the manner in which the country is is will ing to  and capable of receiving  so 1  of his you know  the util ities that  group has got  geost ationary satellites and  Leo satellites we  combine these  2 networks to  offer Telos Enterprise  Maritime and Aviation customers  the  connectivity  they need  when they are  out of range from the  regular ter restrial Networks and  we do that as  I said  in partnership with the the  the locally  licensed Partners or  the exper ienced Partners who  offering services in  the marit ime and  Aviation Space as  you heard  from the  previous speaker  even in  the satel lite industry we  partner with other players like wise have um where  we comb ine their capabilities  and  out so the  general General basic princip le that we adopt  is 1  of partn ership 1  of compliment ing other networks be in space  uh  on the ground  in  Thailand as  you some of  you already know  and  after several years of discuss ions and Regulatory  clearances  we have  established a  Gateway in Sun and this  Gateway is  physically located  in Thailand but it is  operated  uh by our  local partner  National Telecom  for the benefit of a  number of countries  the  clmv  region Ma laysia Indonesia  Taiwan all  these countries where  we have our  local  Partners who are  ultimately  offering their service to the customers that  we  see some  we see some  major trends uh  of growth in  the satel lite Communications industry and quite a  substantial am ount of their  growth is  coming from  the mgso  uh segment  of the market  it's not  like connectivity  is expected  to grow  substantially  between now and 20 30 almost 3  times of  uh the current  modern 3 times the current and  an enormous  you know  more than 20  times growth  coming  from the  uh the  NGS so much now that  doesn't necessarily mean that  amount of Revenue  translates to um  the same number  of customers  because  it's a it's  a it's  a spread between hi gh-end premium us ers and  mass Market us ers so  it's a it will be a nation of  of uh usage um so  users coming  to make  up these numbers  but  in terms of  the  actual Revenue growth a  substantial amount  is expected to  come from the the the  non gso  segment of the market  now  at the same time  you  probably already know  there is quite  a bit of  consolid ation that's  happening in the market  this this  growth may not  necessarily come from from  operators just growing  organically  um we've already heard that  via that merged with in mad um  yuto  said merged with  1 Webb that  were on the same  time  back  in 2023  and then just  earlier this year  you saw the  the consolidation SC S and Intel set the the whole  Market drive to give the  right product  at the right price  to  the right Marketplace is  going to create  the first  big challenge for us um  as as operators uh  striving to to  deal with  this new  opportunity in  the in IMT NT N uh segment of the the market   so I'll  just dive quickly  into um what  is happening in  the um I in in  this particular  segment from  an operator 's perspective first  we have a  bunch of  questions and  the questions are  what is the  real size of  this Market I mean  occas ionally use emergency use great but in  order to facilitate that we're  going to have to  launch  satellites  have special pay load in the satel lites to be able  to  connect directly  to devices on  the ground  and um  and you can't do  it in any  small scale and  once you on ce you're in the  Leo segment we're  talking about  a Global Network  that is go ing to require  multi-bill ion dollars  of investment  and  all of that  investment has  to be recovered by  the services  that we provide  to  these various end users  I've talked about   and not all not  all Global Le o constellations  are owned by  the  richest man on the planet so  we need  to give a  decent return  to our shareholders and  we need to  make sure that  this channel is money is  actually put the good news and  is giving giving this return to the to  the shareholders  so we  have  multiple questions here that that  we need to  think  about before  we can dive  in and say  yes  this is  the the future um  of connectivity  absolutely  from a  use of perspective  now  I'm looking at from  the operator perspective how  many Networks is  too many because  we  already know I  mean you 've seen the news everybody  D2D  is the best word everybody  wants to be in  this game  and you need  to launch new  types of  satel lites you need to bring  them  in a lower or bit and  you need to keep  launching  thousand s tens of thousands  more and  fill up  whatever space there is uh  in in the  in the in  the Leo  belts  so so  once all of that  is done and  you're  offering  services that are techn ically compliment ary if you  remember um a  few years back when the  Leo main players well being talked about  in terms of  you know starting Kyper  1 Webb um people said there's enough uh  in the market  everybody can  share this space  there  is um you know  the you can  you can  all be serving different seg ments of the market there is plent y of opportun ity to be  to be  in the  consumer  broadband and there's  plenty of opportun ity to be in the the  price segment  and then  of course the  the error  and Maritime Mobility segment  what  then happened  as as as  you heard just  now um by  Christian is that  when  you go to countries Indonesia  and the Philippines  the comp limentary  Nature has  disappeared what  has happened with  the with with  our competing  Leo  operator in the  in  the consumer  Broadband segment  is  the prices  I mean I  wouldn't want to use extreme  words like  predator y but it is  extremely competitive with  the terrestrial  Network operator and  um and these  guys  have actually gone  there spent  billions of dollars  establish ed from their Network and  and even more  in buying and oxygen auction in getting through the auction  process of spectrum Anna  having to compete with  someone  who's absolutely  free of any  of that responsibility and  competing at  way cheaper prices then  what a comp limentary service would have actually being offered  off  of that  and certainly  what someone  whom you consider  a complimentary service has  now become your  biggest competitor  and  you know as as  you heard  before it  is it's very  evident  by looking at where  these services are being  used  how they're  being used and  by whom it's  only you know  it's only the the  people who who  want to have that  extra  bit of choice  or  you know want to  really get   you  know for  for for  tens of dollars as  opposed to hund reds of dollars  their satellite  services in the past  have been  so  we need to  then think about  water  of investment  and and  as you heard  from the  Canadian  experience the general terminology that is being talk ed about  with supplemental  Mobile coverage  by satellite   so  what are you  supplementing  your supplementing something  that already is  in existence  and therefore  the  supplementary nature has  got to be very  clearly  defined what  is supplement ary and  and therefore how  is it really  going to benefit  the  end user  and the  country that's in  question  and in Thailand's case um  you know it's a  very  significant challenge  that um that and  his colleagues  are faced  with that  nbtc  in making  sure that you  can regulate this ultimately  for the benefit  of  the end  user and also for your own terrestrial  um service providers it  is it's  not we  can sit here and  say look  it's all mother hood and apple pie  let's just  give everybody  the best  service you know  this is  all about giving  the technology into the the poorest and the most needy but  as we have  seen from  experience  and and as  the um  the  lady who in troduced me  said I've  been in the  industry  25 years  I've only seen this way  too many times what  starts off as  a for  the other  3 billion people ultimately  benefits a few uh  and then be comes a  very competitive  nature business which  has to be very  carefully managed by  by The Regulators  um  having said all of  that I mean  the techn ology the investment and  the actual regulatory challenges that  you faced with  in when  IMT and  Tien is being  rolled out there  is also  other issues to be considered and and in  the current  world context this  is not  to be taken lightly geopolitical issues  in  whose hands  are you as  regulator  willing to leave  this very important maybe offering may be offering Emergency Services may be offering  complimentary  services in the  far-flung areas  where  these people  may need emergency  connection to the center who se hands are  you willing to  leave such resp onsibility in you know  are are  they are they  a trusted  a trust ed partner is  the control in  1 country  or 1 man's  hands  the  red button can  be turned on  and turned off so  that needs to be very  carefully thought of uh the Youtube 1 Webb group probably  is 1 of  the most democratic sat ellite Communications  networks in the  world  we are not  controlled by  a single government  we  are not controlled  by a single entrepreneur we  are we are apartment  Network that is  very much  reliant on  the local operator and  the only  person who can  turn us off from  the local  market um  is the local partner who se regulated by you the  local regulator so I think you  know that that's  a very  very key  uh crit eria a decision point  that you have to  keep in mind then  as I mentioned  before you have  to start  thinking about the  local market  dynamics  and then let's  not also  forget the market  Evolution itself because the  cellular network is n't going to remain  the  way it is  forever and space  I mean  NTN is  not the only  place  where there is taking place  there  is also  new technology  that's coming up  the ground  that will  extend the cell ular Networks you know  in the coming  years they're not going to  just stay put where  they are and  you can  plan today  based on the  current uncovered landmarks uh  but the population  in most countries is more  or less covered  over 199 5 percent  then you then  you're talking about  the  uncovered landmass  the re are terrestrial  Technologies coming  up and they will  also  help  expand the network this from  an operator  perspective makes me question how  much investment  am I  going to put into this this new area  and how  am I going to be  protected that  actually that  my investment  will actually give  me  a return  and how will  I then  you know my  satellites  as you heard  from Christian  once you launch  these  satellites  you can't take  them back  from a regular requests perspect ive and also  from an  investment  and Commercial perspective effective  we  have to  plan for these  things  years in advance and  we need to make  sure that  once  they go up  they  actually can deliver  the  the commercial  value also to the operator  um  well  it is all good that  we have to  offer  the service  to make sure  the  benefit of the  uncovered  people and  internet is now  is  a basic human right we need  to make sure  that that  while we  deliver all of  that we can  actually get  a decent return for us so  I  don't know how much  time I  have left but  I think I've  taken quite a bit  of the time  talking  about the main question so I have  more questions and answers all  position as  as a global  seller oper ator has been 1 of enabling  um  as I've said  before  we as a  middle mile  connectivity provider  we  do en able others  to extend and  deliver their  service elsewhere as  you saw from  the  trends I showed  you before    a  large a  large chunk of grow th is going to come  from the fixed uh  Network operators who se networks we  are already uh  in many parts  of the world  we  are already  beginning um to extend their Networks into  follong areas  and making it possible for  the remot est parts of Australia  the remote parts of  India and  Indonesia to be  able to  enjoy the  same type of service that  people in  downtown Bangkok are  able to enjoy um  so that  end will continue and  the IT recommend ations itself suggest ions of comp limentary Services rather  than competing  Services we have  done technical trial file s to prove that we  are able  and capable  of you know  following the  3gpp  standards um to connect 5G um  Tercel Networks via  our space um  cons tellation of  Leo satellites  how ever the future  positioning remain s still under development um  like like you  saw from  Kane uh  his his jigs aw analogy we  have also  have have our  own  jigsaw that  we need to complete we  have several questions that  will complete  various parts  of this jigsaw by  no means are  we in a position  today  to say yes done  dusted we're  going to be able  to  deliver  it in  this way or  that  way we definitely  aspire to  be a significant  player as  you know  our we  are we've already chose n to be the  um Leo comp onent of the  European Iris Network  and  in the run-up  to that  our satel lites are getting up graded  we have  new and  upgraded satellites uh  waiting to be  launched next  year and  the year  after  and the year  after and  we will  continue to evolve  our network with  new techn ology new  terminals um  our future sat ellites will be um more  powerful  they will talk to  each other  like our  current generation  doesn't  uh and um and  then we will  also  upgrade the ground Network uh  and add  more capability  to make sure that it  is ready and able to  support our local  on the  ground partners with  the uh with  the imtn and roll out  um I  think I  will stop with that  and um allow  you to ask  any questions  that you may have okay  uh thank you  very much Mr  Bal a so  the question  will be at the end of  the session and  thank you  very much for  pointing out  for the  most challenges  for the regulate and uh last  but not least  is uh  our last  panelist Mr Peter and he also company  with his colleague as well  just  also that  we a little  bit running  late of  the schedule so  if you  can make like 10  minutes that would  be great  so can you  tell  add more about how  the Innovation can uh deal  with all the  challenges that uh in the this uh I am CN N  Services have been  fed so  fast how  Innovation can uh hell  shaping the competition  in the NTN   uh  Services uh the  policy  just thank you     thank  you so much uh  I would like to  share  the screen so  can you guys  see my screen I  already did sharing so  you you can  you can already  see my  screen right and uh glad  to be here  my  name is  Peter Peter  hang from Galaxy space we  are a chinese-based commercial  satellites company so  today with also my  colleague Mr  Huang is  our director  for spectral management so  without him I  cannot  complete the preparation  so  thanks so much  for the previous  speakers for sharing  and contributions and  set phone BTC invitation for  getting space to provide our  contribution for the  event so  we are glad to  share the topic the ant that  is the symbol ism topic so  for the onion from our side as  a satellites company especially  as a company  who started with satellite s Telecom we  are actually  more looking at the The Innovation we  can bring to  the industry by  developing  manufacturing la unching and operating the  satellites  that can be better aligned for  the owning use cases so  there was 1 big  issue in  the satellite site that  I would like to share  today  on behalf of us so  there is an issue  of agent again  that is sat ellites antenna again versus the  set right coverage  capacity as we know that  we are talking about  NTN where  you know the  user term inals are quite small we  are actually from  our perspective we  are looking at  the unmodified user devices that  is maybe our  mobile devices so  our mobile devices  or the user de vices that we are  talking about  today  for d2c  D2D is quite small the  power has  its limit so  because of the  power  limit of the  user devices you know  we need the  satellite site the satellit es antenna  to have  the high that's  kind of the log ic that you  have to have  make  the satellites have  the higher gain so  that the sign al can  be transmitted well to you know  smaller much smaller devices but  when we have the  higher gain antenna we  then need to  have an issue that the  satellite s beam the  AA beam  used to be small so  that it can more  Focus for the  higher  gain of the capacity then  that brings another question  on ce we have the  smaller  uh antenna the smaller beam the  coverage will  have the limit but  the invest or coverage has a limit maybe I  have the issue  of  having let's  say the ubiqu itous Network  so this is  where the major constraint  of the sing le satellite is that's  why for  the UNT perspective  for this regard that  the constellations  all those kind of  Innovations  come in so  all our  companies that's  our Innovation effort s are  made based on big topic antenna  again encourage capacity so  I'm going to  introduce  a little bit not too technical  but a little bit  information  regarding this how we resolve the issues of uh  balance the  Eternal game  versus the  courage so  that we  can have the owning available so  to enhance the courage you know  the centralized  constellation is coming but  there are several areas  and  also other industry players are  being keeping  making efforts so  the first and  foremost defin itely to  launch more satellites we  have more satellites there's a satellite  you know you have  the bigger coverage even  though the single has  a limit cover age or limit  capacity  then  why are we  launching more  satellites we  also increase  the number of  the  beams of each  satellites so  that's how you  see some of  the industry  players  have the very huge you know  antennas of  the centralized  in the space because  it can  enable the  satellites  has more be ams so that  can balance  the beam  count and  efficiency  then  besides the  number of sat ellites a number of team s that we  deploy in  the space to  enable the  coverage e fficiency of use it we  also adopt  those beam  hopping technology reach out to  be now is like um  trend for the  industry  that we  use the beam  hopping techn ology  where we as Galaxy space as  a company from  China  we are also adop ting this technology  for the  satellite  antennas and  the sized products  then  further to that as already  the previous  speakers mentioned about there  needs to be  some strategies for  either with a  coexistence uh  Spectrum sharing  or other matters  either it's  MS it's  IMT we  need to adopt  the  integrated uh  strategies for  adopting  and for roll ing out of the  services  so those  4 areas  are mainly  The Innovation side the The Innovation that  I reflected by  our company as  well as by  many others  who are also in the I panel and in the audience today and  for each everyone  I would like to  just share  a little bit so  that we can  save the time  so far in  satellites I in  in creasing the satel lite site  some players like  ourselves already  built this kind of  mass  production facility Mass producing capability to  mass producing  satellites  to mass prod ucing the Le o sat ellites so  that there  can be more  satellites to  make the  courage bigger and  uh from our own bes ides establish ing some manufact urer facilities  in China some  mass production facilities  delivering hundred s of sat ellites per year we also specifically devel op the mass production capacity for  satellites uh  flat panels uh  solar panels  because  as we know the  solar panel as  a critical part  of the  satellites are  satel lites platform so  we also estab lished this  kind of  facilities in  China  to make sure we  can  mass-produce solar panels mass-producing Mass producing the panels Mass prod ucing the satellites by  using this way  we  can actually Fast Track  the deliver y of satellites while also  reduce the cost  because  cost is also  a critical part as  mentioned by others to  make the  services more affordable  and  besides the  manufact urer then you know the  launching cost  the carriers  or the the Rockets  they will also charge you  for launch ing the satellite s into space that's where you know  we adopt ed a flat  panel  away so that  the  satellites can be launched you know  in a dense  frequency  to the space  so that  we can also  further  lower down the cost and  the second  regarding  you know the  face array  because as  as as we  mentioned there are those kind of uh  since we need  to resolve  to improve  the through put speed while also make sure  the coverage  is there so  we  develop those  kind of face array technology you know similar  to some of  the guys  who are also working  very hard in this industry so  we have  developed what we call flat  panel  face array and  solar panel integrated uh  satellites design so  that we  launched such  such type of  satellites  into the space we  already launched some we  have 2 in the  PC  and validation and  this is also uh some exper iences we have  accumulated I  actually useful  for the  further  updates of uh  antenna  expression to make  it bigger  antenna  and also  to have more uh  beams in the space and  for the even  for the comp onent itself  the at tend itself you know  we also  Mass producing the  face area antenna  and this  is 1 of the where  we think that  these  critical to resolve  some  of the issues the previous uh  uh speakers have  just mentioned that  we we actually  need  those ant ennas we use those  antennas  for some of our  satel lites already launched for for  some of our  partners  from China  so those  wild are quite actually uh impressive  if  we compared with  zero years ago  that  can be very helpful for  the d2c  and D2 D a use cases  number  3 is a  big hobby a  beam hop ping  and time frequ ency  compensation this is definitely  area  many of the  engineers  are working on so we  have actually uh  start is doing  these  when we when  we start  when we actually  establish  so in  Faster 7 years we  have working on  this  sector to make  sure that we  can actually have  this kind of digital for me I d igital being  management capacity so  because of  the time  just a few  let's say  subjects  I mentioned here that  how we actually  looking at from  different aspects to  make the sign als uh  more stable  for Leo  satellites  especially when  those satellites I  actually keep keep  moving orbit  so  the Doppler shift  to principal  the accurate orbit pre diction comp ensation algor ithm also  testing our  verification  all those areas as  a company who started  from  R&D of  satel lites antennas we  are actually have  different guys  while  working on this  as those  are the areas that some  of the regulators also  be interested  to actually  look deeper  and  that's also the  areas  we have also keep sharing and let's say educ ating and also  get educated  buy and raise  The Regulators of from  China also  from some of the  neighboring countries  so  the last 1 I definitely is  also a hot is also a Hot Topic which  can be independ ent topic  for many days how  we make sure  the space  and ground sector to  have the  harmonious coex istence or the  sharing frequencies so either for  the IMT or  for the  Mas  I definitely frequencies  and also  let's say isolation protection s those areas we  have been working on at  company level  at Chinese industry  level we  are also particip ating in  the itu level I definitely we  also actually part icipate in  some previous workshop for symbolism  organized by  mbtc so  those are are as that  we also  wish to actually  keep  innovate Eric  finding some new  Solutions  some more  compatible  Solutions  as mentioned by  others also so  to make it short we  actually started from manufactur er of sat ellites internals  satellites and  we develop  deliver satellites  we have done the  centralized  Broadband will working  for the satel lites engine  and also  d2c with  starting from China  but there  are a lots of  things to  be done right  now as  we mentioned  there are lots of  issues  so  far  there are lots of things the  still needs to be  done to  be explored so  as a  company we keep  doing the innovation but  we also need  a collaborations in  the previously  we collaborating  with many  Chinese industry  players institutes universities and  now we are also  expanding  our collaboration outside of China with  players  universities even from Thailand we  also appreciate  that we  have the chance track  collaborate  with some  industry play ers from  from Thailand and  also from  using  regions so each  every day like the  every  6 months  every every  half a year you know  we as a  Chinese commercial  company we  we keep making  the iterations so  in China 1  of the things that we  we may start  you know  not their early maybe  for some aspects or  we make iterations very fast and  especially for  private companies commercial  company like our selves so  6 6  months ago and  6 months after  we we  are actually make  a big  difference  so that's where  we also  would like to keep engaging  with Regulators keep  collaborating with part ners with supp liers with  our potential  clients so  that we  updating our  iterations we  also upd ating the Technologies  and updating our services so that's uh how we  make innovation and  also supply chain  collaboration more  or less valuable  for  us to make  progress  and also for  the indust ry to make  new achievements so lastly we  would like to  actually also  to embrace  the future with all of you is  all the panelists  and also with all the know  for either from  Thailand or  from other  countries I think the  adjusters starting in the way that  for this NTM you know they  don't have the Google services that is as  expected as we need  but  I believe  with all the indust ry players contrib utions Regulators support s the n either for the  technical  or for the  regulator y or for the commercials we  will have the  better future a head so I  I think  that's all  from my side yes  thank  you Peter so  thank you for  sharing at the as  in Innovation that  we have  on the IT service uh well we we  have a  fully already pass ed the lunch time  so the cross  cutting route  uh s ession I will  reduce to  just 1 question uh  but I will just mix all the 3 question that prepare here into  1 so for the  for  the industrial  side uh just like  4G  or 5G  that have the  killer application what  do you think  could be  the potent ial application for  the NT N or  how or how  can it  contribute to uh  like Britain  digital divide  or the second goal and for  the regulator side uh I  would like to  ask that what  risk for example  security  interference  or Spectrum availability  that  require closer cooperation between  regulator and  the industry  so  uh now  we Let's uh  do the reverse let's  start with the  online first uh do  you have any  something to  comment on  the pot ential application that  could be the  killer app  for the NT N in the future  and  for the  entire use case I  would like to actually  mention 1 of them uh when  I was exposed  the use cases  in Thailand  I  noticed that  in some areas you  know you  are actually protect ing the animals it's because the elephant you  know there are some  elephants  across Thailand and  some actually in remote areas and  currently you know the  solutions to actually  track ing down the  track down I know that either  affordable  or actually very costly or real time useful so I  I believe that's  the area there it  can be a good  scenario where  you know you you  you you  you you  adopting  the in Solutions then  you know the  devices can be smaller  it  can be used  for those  areas like for  for for the  environmental or  for the  those kind of  like animal s or elephant tracking which  as a way  of protection  of the  animals so  those are  areas I think previously it's  easier to expensive   kind of not being being touched uh currently  with the  with like let's  say as  in becomes  more mature that  we can actually  provide in those Solutions in  a way that  can  be a balance the cost while  balance returns I  I believe  there are many  areas like this their own team capable useful thank you just  thank you Peter  for the  example  of the environment al applications and Mr  Bala do  you have  any potential  application to  add on regarding  for  the NTN service  um uh  as a as a  comp limentary Network  provider I think  um we don't see  any specific kill er applications as  such but  I could sort of the  broad segments that  I I  referred to  during the earlier uh  Speech is is  generally what  I would focus on  obviously  the emergency ations are  are significant  part of  our partners of  services because  on the ground  you know we  are talking about typhoons tsun ami is earthquakes  um you know  the ability to immed iately and instantaneous ly rely on  a non-terrestrial component um  when the need  arises  I think you know fill the  application is  probably the wrong word fill the application key is probably the wrong word Survivor applic  we don't kill so  we will probably  you know  be able to  save people's lives uh  and I think  that's a sign ificant um seg ment of the market  that  we are  working with  then the  general economic growth  sustain able development growth that  plans that countries  have in  terms of  whether it is Financial  inclusion  educational in clusion food  security these  are some of the  basic  requirements that  for granted  um  that will  you know will  can somehow  Survive by themselves  and bringing  the techn ology and the  connectivity it ies to them and  bringing  all the latest  of AI  and other  technical advances is  by connecting them  to the  networks will  massively improve  the econ omic and  the live lihoods of the  the the various  Target markets  we're talking about  so  I would say  there  is the  there's a whole emergency segment and  then there is  the  overall  um you know  ability to bring  everybody online everybody  online now the  question comes  to can we  do it in  a  in an affordable uh  Manner and  that's a question that needs to to  be answered by  multiple parties  is not just  a  question for me  or the regulator  I guess you know this is this  involves collab orating subsidizing  for example  the cost of  delivering  a megabit  per second in Bangkok is is  never going to be  the same  as  a cost of delivering  the same  MV Ps in the  far-flung corner versus has  been suddenly  hit by  floods for  example  um because you know  1 is  depending on satel lites the other  1 is  on terrestrial so   there are several  sever al factors  to be considered  but in  general I think  there is  the emergency and inst antane ous um  use requirements  and then there is the over all plan strateg ic in clusion of  non-terrorist Technologies in  the way you  compliment  um terrestial  Technologies I think  that would be my 2 areas of   okay  thanks thank you  Mr Bal a  for the recom mend of the survival application of  the kilo  1 so  now we back  on the stairs so uh  I think it's  your turn Christian so  as some brief  the  of your opin ion on the  potential applications yeah thank you  2  angles 2  dimensions is  the econom ics of NTN   I  think who ever can figure out  what  the econom ics of NTN will be will  be on the right  track  because again if  you're going to deploy you  know we have 1  player  with  an itu  filing of  15,000 Le o satellites that  player also  purchased recently  as band Spectrum for 17  billion dollars   have  you seen the  announcement um you you've  seen in the news  that  time um uh  1 1 M constellation  player board  sban  for 17 billion  dollars in the US  um  from  EcoStar  if I'm not wrong now if  if 1  nm  player  spend 17 billion in Spectrum and  have to invest  in  15,000 satellite const ellation I don't  think the econ omics of  that NTN   point  us to  the killer application being connect ing someone in the rural  area because  return investment doesn't make sense  and  then the question I think you  have 2 camps you have that  type of player the killer application  for that player I'll  say is  to kill the  terrestrial operators to  become a mobile  m   we  are not in  that business so NT N for us is something that we deliver  to the local  Telco for  the local T code  to deploy it and  to handle it  in the way  they see it app ropriately so that's  the economics  of NTN  and and the  other dimension  I want to share  is that  simply from a  point of view  of Technology   we  think that  I think there are  many applic ations of NT N is not  just a handset but  something that is  really useful  is um n on line of  sight drones  non line  or side uavs so  those  that type of applic ation for  me will be  trans formational so  drones are becoming  more and more import ant in the commercial  world  for various applic ations Industrial Public Safety but  to connect them  you  need to be able  to fly  them  over territ ories where they might  not be any terrestrial infrastructure so  there you will need  an online of sight link and  that link will be deliver Beyond  an NTN  model from  asari  probably  from Gio  because you need  continuous cover age but also you need   reliable cover age that doesn't  depend on fly over of  a satellite you  need  continuous coverage  so I  think the  NTN model  for Nolan of UAV will  be really import ant particularly  in countries that  rely on agriculture for  for drone oper ations oil and gas there  are many many applic ations of  that kind so  to  me that that would be  a maybe not  a killer  application but  will be  a significant  application for um industrial input  into the economy thank you thank that is not the key application but it  should contribute  to health like  bridging dig ital DUI or the so  instead  this  will be useful  for the entity and  the last 1 for  the regulator  side uh  can you share us about the  what  risks  uh that require  the closer cooperation  between regulator and IND   uh  for example  like security or  interference issue  yes um before  that I  would like to  build  upon the comment s made by  ambala  I  believe that  the the issue  of of a ffordability is  is very  um Keen  for  us to look  upon um um  I think NT N can can  bring us coverage we believe that  everyone  on Earth  can be  connected um any  where anytime uh  by by the NTN itself but as our  commissioner  stated earlier  in this morning um and  according to I think  he  he already  referred to  gsap s statistics um  let me check the number  he  said that um  of  8.1 billion people in the world um  only 5.7 bill ion uh uh uh connected  with  the mobile  subscriber  it means  um it  cuts around  like 57 percent  it means that  that's  a usage Gap in that 1 but on  the same stat istic um the  corporate area  of the  terrestrial  mobile is  um almost  95% of the globe  so  it means  that just 4 or  5% has  already been  uh is not cover that's  the coverage Gap so  the issue  right now is  that um connectivity that's not equal accessibility because even  you you under  the  the the coverage area of the service how  could people  use  and access that  kind of service  so maybe  um access ibility is the key area that need to to  to look further um  in in terms of  um  an NTN  although it  can feel the  Gap in coverage but  how could you  monetize  it in the  terms of us age that's I  I think the  but the  key issue that  we need to  talk about  is  our Legacy  or  I'm asking the  the industry  players I  I think from  from my  personal um  views because  I'm a  technical background the  Spectrum and  then in different  issue  as view upon  um Christian  um um talked earlier the  Spectrum and  interference  to is quite important   right  now everyone  every service provider  every oper ator why for a new or  favorable condition  of using  the Spectrum which  is very  very difficult  for us  as a as a regulator  and I  think our role  is not endorsing a winner actually  but to  balancing the public  goods um how  can we do  that  um um  effectively and  officially  is the key maybe Thailand  is not doing  good  enough in  some kind of area but  it may be  doing better  in in  uh another  kind of area  it it  depends on  on on what you  the operator  will will look at  us and  and give give  me scores  on on how  we  we could do that  because  right  now there's no  clean Spectrum  everyone has  to share  and  who's better at  sharing I  think will have a posit ive impact on  on the service  and I  believe that um  we see that  role  as a legal  is  not indep endent just only  us but  we have to  talk with  neighboring countries  we  have to talk  to Global players so that our Spectrum  resources and  interfering  management system  is in place and  as  Christian has already  mentioned jig saw should be good  enough for people  to see  what is that in  the jigs aw picture  although it is a piece  of the picture  but  um I think every  everyone should  see it clearly  other wise um I think  our role  is not that good so  that's um  the answer your  question thanks   uh  yes thank you  very much  uh thank you  for the  recommendation  that the for  the regulator we are not speak ing the winner but  balancing   thing  so to close  the  session we focus ing the session  would  like to ask  the audience for  either in here  or online  if there any  question but please  be short         okay  may I ask  for a  business  strategy perspective what  is the  core Market opportun ity  that makes Thailand and Factory  place for you  to  invest and  provide centralized service thank you  here  I'll jump in um  like  I I think  your question is  uh marvelous  now  because I think that's  what we need to  think about   from  from our perspective  I think  Enterprise and and it's  a key  area  for for invest ment in  Satellite infrastructure  for Thailand Enterprise will  be very important  you have   many different industry  sectors which are growing  and  I'll point to 1  in part icular so  the first time I  came to  Southeast Asia  I came by s Sailing Boat  I came sailing  from South America  it took  me a  year a year  to get here and  it was wonderful  to sale through  the Malacca Strait but  something I real ized is that  the amount of Maritime trade  in Southeast Asia  has no  comparison  in the world B C as you can  imagine um and  something that brings  together  all the countries  in Southeast Asia  and that's why  we are  all Brothers in Southeast Asia I  think it's the  like a straight  and the ocean Thailand has massive interest  in making  sure that its Maritime industry  is well served in  order to take  care of that  massive  amount of  trade if the  Malacca  trade operations  work well the  economy in  Thailand where  where where  well but also  with  your neighboring countries will work  very well so  for me  in my  point of view I'll say if  I have to  pick an  industry sector  to put emphasis on for  Thailand it will be  its  Maritime trade  and making  sure and  the logistics  infrastructure in the ocean is  well served by  subtle  infrastructure  that's key  for I think for  the entire economy thank you so  I I think  maybe you  guys can  talk about  during lunch break so uh  yes uh last  but not  least it  is there any  final  remark final  sentence from the on stance  from the online if if did  you have anything  from online if  not I would like  to  thank you  all the speakers  here and I turn  the floor back to  the MC  and thank  you very much  and  keep them a  big app roximate  online and offline  thank you  very much to all  the panelists  on stage  and also uh  um moderator which  is hosting the perfect ly and of course  so  right now we are  going  to have  a lunch  break on the pounding room on the  ground floor  and we will  be back  right here in the  corner and  how  45 14 5 PM will  be together  right here    to for for